And the child of a cop.
Can’t wait to hear them say “well he donated $5 to the democratic party 10 eyars ago”
They’re asking if he was on anti-depressants. Everyone else is a murderer, terrorist, what have you. When it’s one of theirs? Just a misguided kid on SSRIs.
Contrast with keying a car and being labeled a terrorist. By scratching a cybertruck, you become an enemy of the state—something a republican school shooter could never dream of.
Young white men are being indoctrinated with 24/7 propaganda telling them they are the real victims
What/Where is this propaganda?
Check Adolescence https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/adolescence for a drama on the topic.
Warning: VERY dramatic.
Social media, podcasts and media
I’m sorry, I try to keep my media intake low, but what is being said that makes these white men feel like victims? Or, portraying them as the victim?
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He’s probably getting a pardon and an ice position
And ice cream with the cops
He was one of the “homegrowns”. Any bets on him going to CECOT?
I was recently thinking it’s says a lot about a culture, where kids shoot up schools regularly, but immigrants getting a terrible treatment never seem to shoot up an ICE office or other government building.
I think both are part of the same culture to be honest, they are just in very different positions both pushed to an extreme situation (the kids shooting up schools and the government officials threating immigrants like crap). Personally I believe you get what you give and this is the result of a society that is getting what it has been giving (or not giving, really). Really sad situation where a lot of people get way less than they deserve (the parents of the killed kids, the children of the deported families etc)
“Homegrown criminal” off to El Salvador with you! Right Donny? Right?!
And his mom is a police officer.
And he used one of her unsecured guns.
In a system where we want to discourage this we need to hold the parents accountable.
I think a life sentence for each life her son took is fair, for her and her son.
Maybe just less guns?
irresponsible gun owning parents, who literally put firearms into the hands of their homicidal children, need to be held accountable for these tragedies.
dozens of mass shootings in recent years, especially school shootings, were absolutely preventable. if only these fucking lazy stupid ass adults would stop fetishizing guns for 2 seconds, long enough to store their weapons securely like a sane responsible person. or they could, idk, maybe steer their mentally disturbed crotch goblin towards a more pro-social, harmless activity?
firearm ownership is a responsibility too few take seriously.
Why not life sentences for grand parents too? Uncles and aunts? Doctors, teachers…
I’m sorry context is such an issue for you
It must be hard
Hmmm. Maybe if there were less guns around…
Careful… You’ll enrage the gun lovers who will tell you how important having a gun right now is while also not using the guns right now for the intended purpose of feeding the liberty tree. There is no difference between a coward and a coward with a gun.
Haha. That’s fair. I’m also not American, so gun control is slightly different where I am.
It’s not a good idea to not have guns these days
Weird how that keeps happening.
I want to stress that it has absolutely nothing, I repeat, nothing at all to do with gun “culture” and easy access to guns.
Nothing at all. Promise!
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Unfortunately I think it runs deeper than guns being around. As people point out, nearly every house in Switzerland has a gun, but they have little gun violence.
Though you’re right that America’s loose gun culture makes the underlying problem ten times worse.
Yes culture is a big part I think too, and the availability, can you just go up to a stand at a gun expo and buy a gun in Switzerland? I don’t think so right?
No. That gun is government issued, and you are responsible for its secure storage. It it not for playing around, and you don’t get any ammo with it. The ammo will be distributed in case the country needs to be defended.
That makes the whole idea that “there are lots of guns in Switzerland, but no shootings” worthless if you can’t buy bullets.
Prosecute the parents. They know they raised a shit kid. This is not an accident but a consequence.
He is 20yo. He s not a child. You don’t emprison people because their adult kid did some shit
You are saying nonsense
It was a parents unsecured weapon used in that shooting. So yes, they should be held responsible.
on the basis “serious negligence leading to death”, yes I agree with you. but not “because they re his parents”
Of course. But the point was that just because he is an adult, his parents are not excluded from being at fault. Their fault is the neglience, at least before the law.
That it takes f-ed up parents to rise a f-ed up kid is another matter.
Oh yeah i see now. Ha! who said two people can never agree on Internet, even when started with what seemed like opposite sides.
His mom is a cop
And he killed with her gun. Twice as bad. Send her to prison for unvoluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary Manslaughter, but agreed. The bigots that raise these bigoted monsters must be held accountable. They should also be prosecuted for being domestic threats to the constitution. I’m being entirely serious.
This bigoted shooting is the end result of the entire lack of intolerance being stamped out the way it has to be.
Imagine that! Who’d’ve thought?
There’s actually no significant political trend or ideology in active shooters they run the gamut politically and ideologically and religiously.
But you’re right it was not a drag queen. 😃
how dare you try to implant a tracking device into my rectum i will have your bladder removed for this you hostile invader
since we’re making random accusations against you that have nothing to do with the comment you made
Thank you. I made my night! 😂😂
Bending reality to fit your cult views. Would love some sources or data to back that up. But you magats don’t give that.
I donno man. Maybe do a Google search, heck ask chatgpt if you’re super lazy.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-07/what-role-does-ideology-play-in-mass-shootings
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1384790/motivations-of-mass-shooters-us/
But here you go. Sources.
Since I’m not lazy I’ll just go ahead and tell you what the results of those sources are.
The extreme vast majority of mass shooters are white males are mentally ill, suicidal and are in a state of crisis days or hours before the shooting occurs.
Extremism plays a role in the shootings but not necessarily right wing extremism although in recent years there has been a small uptick in right wing extremist motivated shootings.
None of the sources good ones or bad ones link specifically magas to mass shootings although there have been Mass shooters that identified as such. There have also been plenty of mass shooters that identified as extremist left wing.
The LA times article goes into detail specifically about that.
I highly recommend you stop making assumptions about random people you comment to on the internet.
One day many many decades and centuries from now internet archaeologists are going to be looking at this exchange and you’re going to come off as extremely ignorant.
What’s more is that you don’t give a crap about the mass shooters you just want Mass shooters to fit your world view which is apparently that all magas are bad which exemplifies your ignorance.
First of all you gave me 2 examples of shooters and expect that to be significant. Second I didn’t say mass shooters were all Maga. Again bending reality to be the persecuted party. Maga is just focused on the wrong things. Exemplified by the fact that mass shootings are typically depressed white males. Why is it that 90%+ are male and 50%+ are white? Why can we immediately have a legislature to ban reading books to kids from drag queens or deport without due process. But yet when it comes to mental health or gun control we have nothing. BeCaUsE tHe CoNsTiTuTion. You know what kills the most kids in america? Not cancer, not cars, not accidents. Guns. This one was done with his moms gun. How was that not properly locked away. I’m not the ignorant one. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings Here’s an actual study.
Did you actually read anything I wrote?
I totally agree with everything you’re saying here.
My original comment was that there isn’t any common political thread between mass shooters.
And you’re the one calling me a maga when I’m not. I hate the state of my country right now our politics are ass backwards.
Read my comment. You’re talking about all time. Since maga movement there absolutely is political motivation. And if you’re not maga don’t defend them.
At no point did I defend maga. Even other people have told you this. You just asserted it randomly. You made an assumption out of the blue.
Evidence was presented to you that active shooters do not use politics as a primary motivator and the ones that have politics as a motivator aren’t exclusively motivated by maga rhetoric.
The primary motivator is mental illness.
But here you are screaming at windmills about gun control. Like it’s so simple all you have to do is make new laws provide adequate mental healthcare inact gun control nation wide and poof it’ll all go away as long as whatever political party you don’t like just shuts up.
Christ on a stick anything that opposes the bandwagon on lemmy and people like you crawl out of the woodwork. It’s freaking exhausting. Go crawl back under whatever rock you came out of!
Studying recent mass shootings(which account for the majority of them) its only becoming more skewed towards right wing extremism
hey I’m confused by what you linked. you’re trying to say there’s a pattern, right? since the person you’re responding to was just saying “there’s no pattern”. but the data in this source really didn’t jump out at me as saying a particular demographic was responsible. (besides males…) like yeah they were 50% white but that’s the majority demographic so of course a wide distribution will have high pct white. I mean the age range was 11-70!!
I’m just confused at why you’re so mad at this person and calling them a maggot when you’re literally agreeing with each other. are you in crisis?
It’s a complicated and nuanced issue and not one we can easily solve by targeting specific groups. you’re right, the best thing to do is deal with the guns. I dont think ive seen anyone here disagree with that
I don’t think he actually read my comment because I addressed everything he said. He basically regurgitated the facts I provided in my comment like they were his own.
I think he just wants to hit certain talking points i don’t think hes actually reading any of the responses.
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So the data i posted initially was from 1966 to 2019. Using that data this person would be correct. However they state that 20% of mass shootings have occurred in the last 5 years. The link i posted afterwards is a more recent analysis of mass shootings in that 5 year span where we can clearly see more right wing white males are the perpetrators. The bigger issue and what i addressed is that regardless of what excuse maga have they still ignore it. Even if you ignore that theyre the biggest perpetrators of this in recent years, they still haven’t done anything about the issues for the last 50+ years. They ignore mental health, gun laws, etc. Instead they ban drag book readings and deport against court orders. Yet kids arent dying from drag book readings. I do not agree with this person and they are very much wrong. Its not really a complicated issue. Expanding access to mental healthcare and placing reasonable gun laws would slash this drastically. But current maga admin are actively cutting mental health access and refuse to touch guns. A study i would like to see is if in recent years maga are suffering from more mental health disorders. It would make their projections of TDS make a lot more sense.
I don’t even check anymore.
It’s entirely clear to me why these happen too.
Once you get into the headspace of a MAGA disillusionment is inevitable. In fact, i probably went through it and called it my fuck up phase.
But you know what. It takes real energy to hold up that reality. It’s also trying to starve you out, denying you any sound advise from anyone ever, treatments for serious mental illness, and ever increasing weight of more and more responsibilities: career, student loan debt, children, mortgage, personal health. It’s not even trying to break you, it wants to crush you. And if you’re losing at capitalism you’re going to spin out.
