Wow… So you are expected to feel ghosted/rejected 100 times a week, and upwards to 1500 in total? I wonder how healthy that must be for your psyche…
We didn’t have psyches back in the day. Just a can-do attitude and strong values.
And a bottle of alcohol too many here and there. And hobbies such as beating your wife black and blue in front of your kids. And fatal accidents from speeding around in our souped up cars.
Just none of that psyche shit, okay?
SLASH S.
And sometimes people had accidents cleaning their guns. With their mouths. But that’s just the cost of bearing arms, no mental health problems
I mean, it was normal getting a bit beaten up a kid for doing dumb stuff. It builds character! That’s why everyone ended up so funcional as adults, no? … No?
Thing is its limited by geography. If I can’t physically get to the job in under 30mins, then I can’t get to the job on time, ever. Don’t have kids, folks, unless you really actually want them. Don’t just do it because you’re ‘at that stage in life’
Mate I’ve done jobs that have had a 1.5hr commute before. What are you talking about?
Congrats, but did you know that other people have problems that you don’t? And that just because you can do something doesn’t mean others can do it too?
We all have our problems in life, and you overcoming yours is meaningless to other people overcoming theirs.
But good job volunteering that your time is so worthless you’re willing to waste 3 hours of it on a commute. The only time I’ve ever driven more than 45 min for a job was to a client site, and I was getting paid and the commute was part of my 8hrs.
The person I replied to was implying they can’t commute longer than 30 mins because they have kids.
In a thread about finding jobs.
There’s a shedload of people including me for whom narrowing their job prospects down to only jobs within 30mins commute would be wishful thinking, and borderline ridiculous.
My ‘mate what are you talking about’ was based on my perspective yes, but there’s large swathes of people who would laugh at your privilege.
Nice for you I suppose. And nice of you to be so self-righteously hostile too.
Seems more practical to me to just sleep at the office.
Kids have to get to and from school
Oh fair enough if you’re ferrying them.
So the 30mins is essentially from latest drop off, to acceptable show up time at work then.
Exactly. My last job was great - had a 9:15 start which was more or less the perfect time when bussing in
Understood. It’s going to get a lot easier then when they can make their own way in.
A real # is probably 25 a week, which IMO is still quite brutal on mental health.
In case anyone would like a reminder, this is a market failure and doesn’t reflect on you personally whatsoever.
Also, every interview:
“So, why do you want to work with us, specifically?”
Well, specifically, I need money for housing, bills, and food.
Also, specifically, you gave me an interview so I’m now really interested in working…at wherever this place is. That’s it, really.
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I mean, yeah, I could blow smoke up your arse if you really wan me to. But I would hope you’d have the intelligence to realise that it’s bullshit and that nowadays it’s all about money. I whore my time out and you give me money. When do I start?[puts hand on sholder] They arn’t *intelligence enough to realise that it’s bullshit and that nowadays it’s all about money. * Managers specificly are paid to drink the coolaid, unless your being hired by a triple threat (can do the job, manage people, and spin it all for managment above them) your going to be stuck working for some peter principal shmuck who is probably good enough at one of those things.
Not to be too pesimistic but your job is to blow smoke, unless your working for yourself or you managed to find one of those unicorn bosses. In the latter case, do what you can to be along for their ride.
They know it’s bs and want to hire fellow people who can spew bs
Exactly. You can’t possibly submit over 100 applications per week while also using any kind of reasonable discretion about wether the job is something you actually want to do, that you can actually do competently, somewhere that you can reasonably do it. You’re just an application shotgun at that point and you’re wasting the time of everyone involved.
I hate this question.
“So why do you want to work with us?”
“Because you corpo cunts are going to steal less of the value my labor produces and help me afford teeth.”
From my understanding depending on industry and geographic area “Arthur” is correct.
When I do counseling with younger people who have graduated school recently or whatever over the last 2 years or so this seems to be the situation for those that get 60-80k jobs. The search itself is an insane grind.
I graduated college in 2008 and it wasn’t even this bad then. It took hundreds of applications over 6-8 months but not thousands over 12-18 which is what I’m seeing now from people.
It’s that bit where as a counselor sometimes I get people who are like “it was hopeless so I just gave up” and I’m like “well, yeah, makes sense”. Like you can only grind so hard before the system breaks you
It’s not that they might be correct, it’s the fact that it got this bad in the first place, and that people accept it.
Arthur should be equally devastated, pissed, burned out, not dismissive and potentially praising some made up grind while succumbing to survivor bias.
If you’re sending out 1500 a week you have no identifiable skill set beyond existing. 1500 jobs that are relevant to 1 individual aren’t being posted every week.
Well you need to send 1500 out because only 30 of the 1500 exist and you have no idea which that is.
I wasn’t even reading job descriptions last time. I just indiscriminately applied to everything and only read about the positions that replied back with a maybe. If they don’t allow the LinkedIn auto-apply, then I’m not filling out a form on their special unique website.
This is their problem, not mine.
I generally agree but what that said is 100 per week.
not much better but it’s a bit of a shame that a whole thread with much attention did not notice and just copied from the first comment
Yea I noticed that I misread a little while ago but left it. The comment is still accurate, 1500 a week is way too many.
Jesus.
Look, I already realized I was living life on easy mode, but this post drives it home more.
I’ve applied for a job exactly five times in my life. I’ve gotten five interviews. And I’ve gotten four offers, all of which I accepted. I’ve never been unemployed for even a day, nor had to settle for staying where I was working for lack of available positions/job-listings.
The one time I didn’t get an offer after an interview, the listing said they wanted “Python experience” (which I had quite a bit of), but in the interview they told me they were switching to C# (which I had never touched in my life). They passed me over ostensibly in favor of another applicant with C# experience. Kinda wasted both my and their time with that one. But it was very shortly thereafter that I landed another job. (As Java dev, which is gross, but I’ve got no right to complain in a thread about people getting interviews on less than 1% of their applications.)
Almost exact same for me. My “tactic,” if that had anything to do with it, was always applying for jobs I was just a little bit overqualified for, calling before submitting my application to ask a couple questions, and submitting the application directly instead of through indeed or some other service
Edit: (past tense bc I’m self employed now)
Calling who?
The employer I was applying to work for. I would just call the office and say I have a couple questions about the job listing, and then they’d put me through to the person who knows the answer (usually in charge of hiring)
That sounds insane. I didn’t know you could just do that.
You can try, but that’s old school. Many job postings now say “WE DO NOT ACCEPT CALLS” in big letters, because people keep blowing up their phones trying this BS.
He’s right but he shouldn’t be right.
I both envy and pity those that can and need to blast out applications like this. There aren’t 1500 open positions in my field in the country. As someone who struggles with doing nothing, application grinding would resolve a lot of anxiety.
Actual genuine nightmare fuel. This is not a lifestyle conducive to human health. Living this way is killing us.
If I had to spray and pray 1500 resumes I’d be suicidal.
don’t get laid off!
Haha, not me. I’ve gone past that to casual despair.
My previous employer cut all the contracts leaving me to find a new role.
I was not in that role long enough to gain enough experience to find a similar role and it was a career change.
I estimate I put in over 750 applications and got maybe 7 interviews out of it.
My CV basically matched the job description for a few roles but was told no.
It’s rough out there, I had to take the first offer as my bank account was basically gone. I’m now earning less than I did 10 years ago and of course rent and prices have gone up. Going to be a rough few years.
Fuck dude, that is rough. Hang in there, keep looking for other opportunities. I hope things get better
I got a CS degree earlier this year. I’m Autistic and am genuinely really passionate about it. I’ve put out hundreds of applications and got 1 interview but was ultimately rejected. I’ve tried applying to retail positions, even with a dumbed down resume so I don’t look overqualified, and they don’t want me either. I’m extremely low on money and I’ve been getting really bad panic attacks lately. I don’t even know what to do anymore.
I believe some tech companies have neuro diversity hiring programs, if you haven’t stumbled across those yet. The jobs don’t demand less, but they have a setup to be more supportive of the candidates.
Thanks. I will go look into that.
Are you applying for jr level positions or trying for positions your college said you could get after you graduate?
I am applying to entry level positions. I have a resume website I made as well as some projects. My most recent uses Spring Boot + React.
Ok that’s good, I would advise, try for anything right now in the field if IT. Shoot for an MSP and just get your foot in the door. Then network while you work there, show them your good at your field of study. The main thing right now is to get into the field first, worry about your tower after you get in and start networking with coworkers and others. Almost all of my positions and career advancement has come from networking, I get people hunting for me to get poached from my company now because of who I know.
Sorry to say that you’re quite fucked. I’ve been in IT / Tech for 18 years. My company hasn’t hired jr devs for at least a year.
Yeah that’s just a psychopathic take.
Starting January this year, I put out aprox 400 applications: mostly online, around 30 in-person handing out resumes to anyone that’d still take one (they usually direct you to an online application if you visit in person). After 4 months, I’d had a grand total of 5 interviews. 4/5 said they had more interviews to do that day and would call me in a day or two, whether they chose to hire or not, just to follow up and let me know their decision. The 5th straight up said I’d be a fantastic fit for the team, he’s just got to confirm with another upper manager who’d be back tomorrow and they’d call me later tomorrow with a hire date and more details. None of the 5 contacted me again.
Called the last one back a couple times and got avoided for three days until the manager finally told me they’d gone with another candidate.
Finally in May I had a phone interview, then followed up with an in person interview and landed a job within walking distance of my home.
Job hunting sucks.
Not too brag, but I walked out of uni with a nursing degree, went through one application and interview process, and have been in secure, full-time employment ever since.
COVID was a bit shit, but it turns out that was a temporary low point.
I never wrote an application. I was basically hunted down by employers, and only one job interview did not work out - because the employer die not turn up. I’m now in my 30th year in my current employment.
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Yeah. I’ve been working in silicon Valley since 2009. I’ve worked everywhere from startups to Facebook. I was laid off a year ago. I did 25 applications a week for 6 months with 0 interviews or call backs. This was all stuff I have industry experience at and fantastic references for. Even the contract companies I worked with haven’t been able to find me anything outside of IT roles that require 24/7 on call paying $25/hr. I was making that in 2010. The job market for tech is nonexistent.
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Yeah, no thanks. I choose a life of poverty instead. Enjoy your grind in a collapsing system.
Poverty for me means losing access to the medicines that keep me alive, or I would be right there with you. I wish I could just be a hobbit subsistence farmer so bad but I got bills 🥲 So I keep turning the crank until another option becomes viable.
