• grue@lemmy.world
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    What people think of when they hear the word “yacht:”

    The size of boat the whales are actually attacking:

    I know everybody wants to root for the whales attacking the billionaire 1%, but that’s not what’s actually happening.

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      You “only” need to be a hundred millionaire in order to afford to maintain the one in the second photo.

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        A 40ft Bohemian? A five year old one will set you back €200k in good condition, and cost around 10% of its value in maintenance, mooring and repairs each year.

        People have cars more expensive than that on their driveways.

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          And they spend 20k a year to maintain their car?

          That’s more than many people make in a year. Get a grip.

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            You’re right, many people don’t make 20k per year. But my point was that you don’t need hundreds of millions to afford a sailing yacht, and I don’t need to be attacked for adding some data to your comment. Perhaps it is you who should get “a grip” on your interpersonal skills?

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              Sweet just point me to that different job. I’m in central Maine. Since we’re being picky please find one that’s over 60k. I have 15 years in management, sales, compliance etc

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          …not if you are poor quick check on google. Found the world inequality database. Richest 3% of income is $250k per year usd 240 million people reach this level globally. Richest 6% wealth wise globally is around $1 million usd 480 million people have that wealth which i mean is a lot but that is probably all land and housing. Soooo yeah way less then 1% globally could really afford this boat.

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            You’d be surprised how many owners of 40-foot “yachts” own them instead of houses and live aboard full-time in order to save money (among other lifestyle reasons).

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              Sure, man. Sure.

              Boats are typically considered yachts when they are or exceed 24 meters.

              A potential buyer of a superyacht with a net worth of around €25,000,000 might consider that 10-30% of their net worth invested in a used superyacht is something that they can reasonably afford, whereas potential buyers of new yachts might want to have a net worth in excess of €50,000,000 to feel comfortable.

              It is estimated that around 130,000 people may have this level of wealth worldwide although experts reckon that only a few thousand individuals are actively involved in owning, building, buying and selling the approximately 8,700 motor and 1,750 sailing superyachts over 24 metres that have been built.

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                First of all, you’re wrong: any sailboat that has a cabin for living aboard, even if it’s a shitty dilapidated Catalina 27 that you buy for $1, is a “yacht.”

                Second, even if you were right, don’t bitch at me, bitch at the article writer. They’re the ones who first called it a “yacht,” even though from the video you can clearly see that it’s way smaller than 24 meters.


                I found another article about the incident that contained enough information to track down exactly which boat it was: “Oceanview” owned by Nautic Squad Club, a Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349. Only 34 feet long, yet still described as a “yacht” by literally everybody but you.

                By the way, most of the listings for that model of boat on Yachtworld are under $200k.

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                  It is very arbitrary, sure.

                  I think a main thing is people who describe their boats as yachts usually aren’t going from paycheck to paycheck.

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        I know plenty of people who are by no means rich who live on boats that size. Its basically the marine equivalent of living in a camper.

        My best friend lived on one for more than a decade. he got for like $3k and put like $9k of work into it. Had his first kid living on that boat because he couldn’t afford to live on land.

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          That’s a whole different lifestyle tho, the orcas are not attacking the boat slips. Mad props to people who live on boats. In the 2008 recession it was a great housing option for the poor

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        You might be surprised at how cheap these things can go. They are a lot to maintain but may not be so much to buy.

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      I don’t know who you consider a rich fuck but a yacht like this cost maybe $70k. It’s not much different than owning a car.

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        Yes it’s just like owning a car! Which we primarily use to get to work and earn money to pay for the car!!! What do you do in a boat??? Oh ya!!! Not working and scoot around all day. Must be nice!

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          What do you do in a boat???

          A boat like this one? You fuckin’ live in it instead of a house (and at a much lower cost).

          I mean, not this exact one from the article because it was a rental, but in general a lot of yachts in this ~40’ range are owned by couples and used for the nautical equivalent of #vanlife.

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            Yeah I sold real estate to a couple who was living out of a boat and traveling the world. He was a retired oil engineer, and it made lots of money and could afford to stay around and do nothing his whole life. That’s the point. It’s a position of comfort and personal decision. Just like van life Lmfaoo: rich kids pretending to be vagrant hippies. I spent a lot of time with them as a real vagrant hippie.

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          Lot’s of people have hobby cars. I don’t own a second car or a boat but I don’t consider everyone who has one rich. Those people still go to work every day and save for retirement. We’re talking about good wage job, not being a millionaire.

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            Right and I’m talking about how the good wage jobs have slowly disappeared over the last 20 years. I’m talking the devaluation of our currency and inflation of our necessities has not kept up with meager wage growth. They’re gonna offshore your job soon enough or replace you with AI. If you are still in the sailboat owning class, you are a demographic that’s getting more unobtainable to the non sailboat class. You don’t feel like you’re rich, but you were the net beneficiary of all of the subsidies and money printing of your own a house and a 401k.

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              So what am I supposed to do? Donate my house to the homeless? Or simply buy a gun and get ready to fights the poors when class war begins?

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                What ever you feel like brother, we’re in a post constitutional law America. If you feel like the system is going to protect you from the people it hurts then I guess fight the poors, if not idk do anything in your power to fight for democracy and decency? I’m just a casual observer for now, but I’m more focused on the food supply chain than the obvious authoritarianism. Remember during Covid when people were hoarding toilet paper? Overcharging for masks? Idk about you but I’m working on my food production lol

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                  Why would I fight for democracy if the masses see me as their enemy? That’s what I mean. If everyone with more money they you (even wage workers) is the enemy than I guess I have to side with the system that protects me. What other choice do I have? Sacrifice my life for the good of the common people? Who am I? Prometheus?

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        Shit, I hadn’t thought of that, the poor, poor people who can afford $70,000 recreation craft. Won’t someone think of the sailboat owners.

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          Where do you draw the line? Who do you consider a “rich fuck”? I know a carpenter who restored an ultra light airplane. This rich fuck better watch out when the class war comes!

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            If you’re not living in a tent in a public park then you don’t deserve to live.

            And people wonder why everyone hates leftists.

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        The initial cost of a boat is like 1% of what the person ends up spending to maintain it.

        There is a reason why people say that boats are, “a hole in the water to throw your money into”

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        The real class war will be between people who ate yesterday and people who did not eat yesterday. I’m pretty sure there’s some food on that boat.

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          I ate yesterday. You’re saying I’m in the same boat (pun intended) as Bezos?