Thing I like about the No Kings protests is that they actually get the word out in advance.
Usually if there’s a protest, I don’t hear about it until the morning of or the day after.
October 18th, for people just checking the comments.
I already know ours is going to be awesome, and it’s going to tie into our Pride that day, which is happening just a few blocks away - they’ll all become the last float in the parade as they march. YES
Take some responsibility and get plugged into your local resistance communities so you find out about protests in advance! The mainstream media generally doesn’t cover protests—much less in advance—unless they’re gigantic and/or somebody is bleeding.
Show up be organized let everybody hear and see us! If you can’t attend post about it spread the word we will not just sit by and watch these monsters take everything from us!
If you’re not showing up prepared to get arrested, you’re just doing a parade.
I’m sure this will give everyone a nice chance to pat themselves on the back for pretending to do something, though.
What a stupid comment. Just showing up to a protest is far more than most people do. Do you think the No Kings protest would have had so much coverage if only 100 people went to it?
I was helping organize a lot of these in my city since February, but honestly nothing of value has changed. We need to take the Malcolm X approach.
Protesting is the first step towards change, not the last. Hopefully the movement can gain enough momentum for a general strike or something.
A few protests change nothing but it does help organize and network. Many people have no connection to their community and this is that chance
My state leaders continue to speak up and do what they can, from representatives to governor to attorney general. Colleges in my state that have been attacked continue to resist. Any attempts at ICE raids are followed by protesters Maybe our protests get ignored by the regime but if it encourages our state politicians to continue acting in our interest, then it makes a difference.
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So what have you done then?
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Always the guy living thousands of miles away criticizing others for not risking their lives.
Your lives are already at risk. That you don’t see that makes clear that you are FAR too comfortable.
You would totally be fighting back yourself though - all dirty-Harry like. Man it’s just those lazy people on the TV not doing what you’re shooting at then to do!
Too bad you don’t live here though.You’d show them!
I mean, they kind of have a point.
If you’re not showing up prepared
to get arrestedto fight, you’re just doing a parade.There, FTFY.
Do you really mean it when you say you don’t want no king in the USA? Because that’s what Trump is acting like.
Yeah, that’s the point of these protests.
Good! I’m rooting for you
Sure.
Going out to vote is a better idea.
But then again, republican gerrymandering makes your vote pretty much cast into the void.
Going … out to vote.
You really don’t have a clue what’s happening to your country, do you?
Bold of you to assume it is.
would you rather get nothing? because most people aren’t willing to risk their livelihood for this and the first step of action is centralization! get people talking, learn how to help.
You already have nothing.
Okay then chill in the back and be super smug from the couch or whatever, nerd.
I tend to agree, protesting in blue cities and states is preaching to the choir and achieves nothing. Take that to DC or your closest red state.
Safe protesting is not protesting.
I live in a red state, and I plan to be at my local protest. But I take offense to the idea that protests in blue states are somehow too “safe” or not worth the time. The shit that has gone down at protests in Los Angeles should counter that notion pretty handily.
Honestly, the protests I’ve been to in my red state were way safer than the ones in LA, with way less push back from law enforcement. Probably helps that ICE isn’t operating in my city either.
Let me phrase it like this then… what have the protests in LA accomplished?
ICE is still operating with impunity, if anything they have accelerated.
Trump has increased military presence in places like D.C. and is threatening other cities.
The Supreme Court ruled it’s A-OK to detain people who look hispanic or are caught “speaking Spanish in public”.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c784697j2v8o
Soo… good jorb?
If you’re offended by this, and you really should be, the Powers That Be in California cannot change it. The protest needs to impact those making these decisions and right now it absolutely is not.
So how is that different for red states?
The representatives in Red states are in control in the house and senate. If it becomes clear they are acting against the will of the people they represent, that could actually change policy.
Right now, blue state reps have zero power, protesting to get their attention literally has no impact because they can’t do anything even if they wanted to.
Who said these protests were to get the attention of House and Senate reps?
I mean, that’s definitely a useful thing, but it’s certainly not the only goal of a protest.
It’s the only goal if your intent is to effect change.
Unfortunately, most people’s intent is “Look at meeeee!”
Protesting in blue areas can achieve something, but only if it’s actually disruptive. For example you can force your elected officials to take a hardline approach to Trump rather than capitulate.
Local officials have no power over Trump, and Democratic Congressmen and Senators have no power over Trump due to being in the minority.
So you’re protesting people who a) agree with you and b) can literally do nothing.
So, again, protesting in blue cities and states is entirely performative. “At least I did something!”
They can obstruct and/or oppose Trump in their own jurisdictions. There are options, everything from withholding federal taxes to enforcing state law on ICE (like Pritzker is threatening to do) to having local National Guard units defend immigrant neighborhoods. In the worst case scenario, forbid ICE from entering the state and shoot them if they do. At the very fucking least this shouldn’t be happening.
This made me lol. You’re literally THE most terminally online power mod on Lemmy. You, of all people, advocating for dangerous or violent protests is highly ironic considering how the chances of you leaving the comfort of your house in general, let alone going to any protest, are slim to none.
Not advocating for dangerous and violent protests, as always I advocate AGAINST ineffective protests, and protests in blue states only serve one purpose… virtue signaling.
You want a protest to be effective? Take it to where it counts. Red states. D.C. Those are the minds you need to change, not your garden variety blue voters who already agree with you.
See, I actually understand your frustration, but I think you actually misunderstand why these protests are ineffective. Virtue signaling is indeed a big issue with protests in America. This could easily be seen with the signs. Everybody has signs and all these signs have puns, jokes, provocative drawings, or websites on them. The point isn’t to send a message, it’s to farm social media engagement. So you’re right on that, but the issue with American protest is much deeper than that.
For example, the bigger protests here aren’t exactly organic, they’re more like festivals. For example, I went to the “hands off” protest in Boston a few months ago, and they literally had a “program” for it like it was some kind of show. There were bands that played music, advocacy group leaders who gave speeches shilling for their causes at the expense of the cause that was being protested, local and state politicians getting PR and advertising their upcoming campaigns, and so on.
When it’s not a festival, then it’s a public nuisance. There’s this myth that’s widely believed among the American left (the right doesn’t really protest) where they actually believe that disruption is THE most vital part of protesting, and thus it’s presence is mandatory for every protest otherwise they’re simply ineffective. This leads to things like blocking intersections, vandalizing property, getting in the way of other causes, or being extremely annoying on purpose. For example, look at how “queers for Palestine” sabotaged Ottawa’s pride parade by dangerously stranding thousands of people in sun, made threats, and then had the event canceled for everybody… as you can imagine there’s a lot of people who resent this group and their cause because of their actions.
Another massive issue is the ever increasing presence of the omnicause. This is a product of a mentality that combines the worst elements of intersectionality and purity testing. This mentality insists that if you support one cause, you must support them all, and if you oppose or remain neutral on any “approved” cause, you’re branded as morally corrupt. This binary thinking forces people to label every movement as either wholly good or bad, leaving no room for nuance. What this leads to is protests that don’t stand for anything because they try to include everything. For example, the women’s march in Boston last year had people with Palestinian flags, black lives matter signs, Ukrainian flags, communist symbols, and there were even animal advocates in there… what do any of these have to do with women rights in America? The answer is nothing, they just dilute and distract from the cause that’s being protested.
If we really want protests to lead to change in this country we have to look back at the country’s successful movements and see what made them work. Well if we look at the civil rights movement, the suffragette movement, the Vietnam war protests, and the LGBT movement, what do they have in common? They were all…
- peaceful movements
- tried to get the support of the public (as opposed to antagonizing the public)
- had one single, central cause
- they all disavowed extremists in their movements
- they were inclusive in practice, not just in rhetoric (men were a part of the suffragette movement, whites were a part of the civil rights movement, and so on)
- had clearly defined demands that the protestors and leaders genuinely believed in
We need all these elements to make our modern protests meaningful. Going to red states isn’t going to do anything. It’s not going to change anybody’s mind or do anything because it’ll have the same problems. If the protests in blue cities and states aren’t leading to anything, why would the ones in red states yield any results? We need to learn from our past and look at the rest of the world as to what good protests should look like. Protests in Europe, for example, are minimalist, there’s no “program”, there’s huge turnouts, people respect their fellow citizens, and people show up solely because they believe in the cause. Want examples? Look at the protests happening right now in Georgia and Serbia. Want non European examples? Look at Hong Kong or Turkey.
I think the primary problem you note is a distinct lack of focus, and, in my mind, that started with Occupy Wall Street. There was no organization, they didn’t have demands, they couldn’t articulate what they wanted, they were just angry. Which I get, but if you want someone to validate your anger, you need to give them a path.
I was legit curious and back in the day went down to the local Occupy and asked a guy:
“So what do you want? What can the banks do right now that would make you dust off your hands, go ‘my work here is done!’ and send you back home to live your life?”
“I WANT THEM TO FUCKING DIE!!!”
“Well, that’s not going to happen, you have any other ideas?”
(Spoiler - He did not.)
I don’t think it’s a lack of focus per se, I think it’s a lot of our protest since Occupy Wall Street had tried to substitute emotions for principled beliefs. Protesting to show you’re “angry” doesn’t mean anything because there’s no end goal. If our protests embody the emotions of a toddler, then it’s no wonder they get easily manipulated, shut down, or end up going nowhere. Protesting for the sake of it is simply idiotic. It’s fine and perfectly normal to be emotional at protests, but they have to be accompanied by specific demands and principles, otherwise you just have a directionless mob. It doesn’t matter where you place this mob or what cause you give it, it’s not going to accomplish anything because it’s lost.
I’ve been very happy with my blue politicians responses and if this encourages them I’m all for it.
Not sure what you’re expecting - violence can easily be counter-productive, especially in areas where police are sympathetic
Oh, no violence, but the people who need to change their opinions aren’t in blue cities or blue states.
Unhappy with the Feds? Take it to DC and shut DC down for a month. Protesting in LA, SF, Portland, Seattle does nothing as everyone there is already on your side.
The people who need to see the protests don’t give two shits about what blue cities and states think.
RTFA
Sorry to be super off-topic, but I’m relatively new to Lemmy and I can’t figure out why it says there are 47 comments on this post, 26 of which are new, but I only see 3.
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