Armed guard members will carry the type of weapon they are normally issued and trained on, typically M17 handguns and M4 semiautomatic rifles, similar to assault-style rifles, the Defense Department officials said. Some guard members will carry M9 pistols.
The military weapons are similar to those used by local police departments across the United States. The M4 is a standard semiautomatic rifle and has roughly the same capabilities as semiautomatic rifles used by law enforcement agencies.
Completely incorrect. NBC is clearly trying to downplay the seriousness of this. M4 rifles are not assault “style”. They are assault rifles, fullstop. The M4, and other assault rifles, are not legal for civilian use. They have full automatic or burst fire capability, depending on the specific model.
The weapons these soldiers are carrying are not AR-15s. These are not “assault weapons”. These are weapons of war. They are not for civilian hunters or shooting competitions. They are for killing human beings.
I mean, the majority of guns are for shooting and killing human beings. That’s pretty much what they were invented for.
Yeah, but the M4 is really good at it
You forgot hunting.
Firearm use for hunting came much later than human killing.
Humans have been finding shit to propel at prey since the dawn of man. Guns are just another ancient tool.
Humans have also been finding ways to propel shit at other humans since the dawn of man.
Under the rules of engagement, deadly force is authorized only “upon reasonable belief of an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm,” one of the defense officials said.
So, they strip you of your constitution rights and if you show anything other than submissiveness, that will be enough for them to feel threatened.
If you attack someone aggressively enough, there’s a probability they’ll instinctively fight back—and fighting back could cause serious bodily harm to the attacker.
So as soon as you decide to attack an unsuspecting person, you could conclude that there’s an immanent risk of bodily harm to yourself before they’ve even reacted.
No, the military rules of engagement is vastly different than police. Unlike the cops you can’t just light someone up because you feel like you might be threatened.
I don’t care what weapons they have, they ARE NOT TO BE USED AGAINST AMERICANS. The constitution is very clear on this, but the administration hates the constitution. Plain and simple these troops being sent out are illegal orders and hopefully the servicemen and women obey their oath to the constitution and do not report for duty.
Yeah. Hopefully these brainwashed children are extra brainwashed but the “right way”, the lib way. Surely they’ll worship the holy document more than the holy man… \s
They are not for civilian hunters
Ohhh, sorry OP. I think M4s are specifically designed for civilian hunters. They seem very useful when hunting them.
(Jokes are my coping mechanism 💜)
If I’m not mistaken, the M17 is military name for the SIG P320… the one that likes to go bang whenever it feels like it, regardless of what the person holding (or not holding) it wants.
That’s fine… This is fine.
P320 is M17, shorter barrel is named M18. I suspect that just like USAF, the NGs use mostly M18 which were cleared from possible malfunctions except that they wear down from use too quickly for heavy use.
These guys play military two days a month. I sincerely doubt they’ve checked every single pistol for malfunction. There’s a chance they didn’t even hear about the airman.
Oh I personally still wouldn‘t touch that pistol, but what choice do NGs have? Let‘s hope noone gets hurt
Huh? Is the National Guard issued some special version of the M4 without select fire? Wouldn’t the standard version be automatic? I feel like the term semi automatic is incorrect here.
Also, M4s are AR-15s.
Fully Automatic does should a little more aggressive, as it is much more aggressive. Can’t have facts in the media anymore.
They should be single and three round burst selections. Burst is rarely used and not really important. Outside of an unusual situation where you need to fire all your ammo asap, it’s usually just wasted because it’s less accurate. Exceptions do include a crowd of people swarming you.
Only the original M4 used three round bursts. The M4A1 switched to full auto.
I want to know if they are being issued ammo.
Can someone explain to me who these people are? What were they doing before they’ve been ordered to DC? Are they a standing army, training while they’re not ordered somewhere? Or are they reservists? Or police from elsewhere?
Basically reservists, the National Guard is brought up under control of the states/feds for emergencies/disasters. Generally you’d see them building flood levees or rescuing people in hurricanes or (occasionally) shooting college students in the '70s. They’re not really designed for peace time occupation but the admin’s gotta find jack boots somewhere.
They’re brainwashed children serving fascism.
Well ofc… The state doesn’t violently control people with nerf guns.
Expecting to use violence to control people in the USA is like expecting to control bears with bear spray.
If Trump thinks he can pull a Tiananmen Square then he’s about to find out the tanks can lose.
I mean…civilian gun hoarders vs the US military? We wouldn’t win. Sure, you could see a long drawn out guerrilla war, but head to head we do not have the advantage
I expect much of the military would turn on Trump as well.
Armed military trash pickup patrol. What a fine use of taxpayer dollars, bravo.
Fuck these soldier bums too for not resisting. I’m fully aware of the consequences of resisting but I don’t care. These are people who are putting guns on their own citizens. Fuck them.
These are people who are putting guns on their own citizens.
Provide a source for a claim like that, even just pointing them at people.
All they’re doing is walking around, why the fuck would you want to pick a fight with them. When everyday they walk around picking up trash they hate trump even more?
You’re literally doing what trump wants, by going after them you drive them towards trump.
Do you legitimately not understand any of this?
The current thing is legally allowed so there’s no cause to refuse. It’s only allowed under the law like once for 30 days so it will be future uses that are unlawful.
Resisting right now would just be complaining that you wanted to sleep in.
“Powerful M4”
Just… Like, the M4 is a Carbine. Don’t tell me it’s not an AR-15. That’s like saying a Chrysler Neon is not a Dodge Neon. Most M4s don’t have full auto.
They’re only repeating the technical-sounding terms they have heard over and over again in other news reports about firearms without really understanding what they mean.
And because these reports they’ve based their limited understanding on were majoritarily about gun violence perpetrated with civilian rifles, they don’t understand how to talk about actually military firearms.
These news reporters have downright behaved like generative AI.
I dunno I think an article about the specific guns the guard members are carrying is a little less important than the fact that the guard should NOT BE THERE AT ALL. Every siren that exists should be going off and yet NBC and the rest just don’t give a fuck, they’re like happy about it
Defund the VA now.
Three questions: What? Why? Aren’t you in the UK instance?
Why? Because Americans put troops on a pedestal. The VA should be defunded to remove enlistment incentives. The money should be used to fund universal healthcare.
Ok. Sure. If current veterans get easier access to healthcare and so does everyone else I’m all for it. The VA is half-broken right now anyway. I just don’t want people reliant on help to suffer, even if I disagree with them.
Ok maybe, but I don’t think that the VA is really the root problem here.
More fundamental: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
No one signs up because they hear good things about the va. People literally avoid it to keep safe because it has a terrible reputation.
