Glad they’re taking off the gloves a little, but it’s always been a non-option to just make our lives significantly and irrevocably better like M4A or the PRO act and although they’re good at trying and failing, they never talk about the consequences as dire as they actually are with few exceptions.

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    Going to hell for smiling now, 🤦‍♀️

    Also, picking the least shitty option is always better than being ok with the shitty option. If you want better options then go start actively volunteering for a good option.

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        Shh, you’re telling people to actually do something instead of blindly following the status quo and hoping someone does it for them.

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              Hey, that’s not true!

              The real effect is giving an advantage to the main party that the 3rd party is less similar to.

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              Because we live in a country of reactionaries who have allowed themselves to be controlled by that system instead of organizing to take back control of it themselves.

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                No, the design/implementation of the system itself results in two dominant parties. It is possible for new parties to be created, but without a change to the system, that would still result in a two party duopoly, just with different parties.

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                  without a change to the system

                  That’s the whole point but it won’t change unless we change what we are doing, cause it clearly isn’t working.

                  Those parties are only dominant because people fall in line. If people stopped falling in line and changed who they gave their support to, those parties would no longer be dominant.

                  Their power relies on our capitulation. If we want other parties to win, then we have to give our vote to them and hope that others will do the same. If I keep giving up my vote to someone else that’s a guaranteed way for the person I actually want to lose.

                  Frankly, I believe the entire system of hierarchical, representative democracy is a failed system to begin with and, especially under the influence of a capitalist economy, will inevitably collapse into fascism. Parliamentary democracy is only marginally better. Until we abandon this system and begin governing ourselves in a horizontal structure, it will never change for the better for the working class. Everything else is just spinning wheels, maintaining an inherently oppressive status quo.

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                    But you can’t change the system until you win, and in our system the only way to win is to be one of the Big Two. Bull Moose couldn’t even do it with a former president.

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      Ok, and when they ratfuck the good option and instead give you republican-lite?

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        start firearms training and put an antifa patch on your denim jacket, join an anarchist reading club and start talking about Mao’s policies at family functions.

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        Learn what they did and work against it? Strategies change all the time.

        Being ok with the republican choice is accelerationism, which always fucks over everybody.

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          Learning what they did doesn’t help, the only tool we have to make sure ratfucking isn’t an effective way for conservatives to gain power. When progressives get ratfucked, the republican agenda moves forward no matter if a republican or republican-lite who is happy to work with republicans wins.