A video recorded last week has ignited outrage online after it captured ICE agents violently arresting two brothers in South Norwalk, Connecticut, in broad daylight without producing a warrant. The men, identified as Ricardo Chavez and his brother, reportedly hold legal status to live and work in the United States.
The footage (credit @alwaysfilmthepolice) shows plainclothes ICE agents forcibly detaining the men in a public area. Witnesses say the agents refused to provide identification or present a warrant when asked, instead resorting to physical force and a taser to subdue the brothers before hauling them away. They also allegedly damaged their vehicle.
Community members who know the Chavez family insist that both men are law-abiding residents with valid documentation. “They work, they pay taxes, and they belong here,” said one South Norwalk resident who witnessed the arrest. “This was nothing short of a kidnapping.”
I have no idea how not a single ICE agent has been killed yet?
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.Because they don’t try this shit with people who look like they can hit back, most of those have real arrest warrants on them so they can leave that for local and state cops to deal with and just focus on ambushing students and day laborers and people with small children
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I have no idea how not a single ICE agent has been killed yet?
Apparently the good guy with a gun is a myth.I am low key shocked that some group of vigilantes hasn’t straight up ambushed a pack of ICEheads yet.
Benjamin Song, an alleged ringleader, is a former Marine Corps reservist who trained left-wing activists for close-quarters combat and large-scale gunfights, associates said.
Damn… I hope there are more people like this, and that there’s a good reason why we never hear about them.
Link to get around paywall.
That didn’t work for me. Still cuts off after one paragraph.
Here’s an article I found from a local affiliate: https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-attack-alvarado
Sadly, I don’t think that will happen on any scale as long at the main targets are brown.
And undocumented, which makes it not feasible to own a gun if they wanted to.
That’s a poor strategy and most people understand that on some level. Either because of the civil rights movement and understanding the value of the moral high ground or because people understand they want violence to declare martial law. That just isn’t the play.
Also Luigi isn’t a myth.
I won’t comment on whether political violence is the right thing to do, but if you think the civil rights movement was peaceful you’ve been taught some disgustingly whitewashed history. Ever heard of the Black Panthers? They got in firefights with the police all the time, even though many would later pretend that MLK was the only and unanimous voice for all of America’s oppressed.
Also the whole Civil Rights movement can be traced to the Civil War, instigated in part by people like John Brown whose whole thing was massacring slavers in the name of God.
This rewriting of history of America as a nation of peaceful citizens who got their Rights by Asking Nicely fucking pisses me off.
MLK was the only and unanimous voice for all of America’s oppressed.
And MLK himself is extremely whitewashed. His focus on economic justice and anti-imperialism are typically left out of the stories told about him in media. As well as the fact that he was broadly unpopular with Americans in his time.
Also the fact that he credited the Black Panthers with allowing him to be able to do what he was doing by protecting the protesters from retribution, and saying that the only reason that they weren’t doing anything more was because what they were doing already was illegal and anything more would risk actual jail time.
There’s also the armed nonviolent wing that gets left out, like the Deacons and the various unaffiliated armed people who literally did have to be ready to kill in order to defend some of the nonviolent protestors - one SNCC person in an interview mentioned they and a few friends were staying at an old black woman’s home after a march in Alabama, and she had half of the local black community entrenched, quite literally, with their guns in her front yard all night, because the police had shown up with what amounted to a lynch mob for the protestors.
I also think a lot of people confuse moral nonviolence with strategic nonviolence or pacifism. You can be nonviolent and still be absolutely armed, trained, and ready to do violence if needed.
There’s a fantastic book, This Nonviolent Stuff Will Get You Killed, that really hits the lost portions of the civil rights movement, including the armed wing of the movement.
The reason for gun control was Regan was afraid of the balck panthers owning guns.
Full stop
Thank you boondocks for showing me Malcolm X. Yeah I know but this game is a bit different. Gotta be smarter this go around, money, it’s all money. Your color never really mattered it was just convenient.
If it’s all money… How do you propose the fascists will go away? Good words and peaceful protests don’t mean shit when the oligarchs own the quasi-totality of the media landscape.
As a totally unrelated thought, Luigi’s alleged cheap 3D printer did more for access to healthcare in the US than every government from the past decade-and-a-half and that’s a straight fact.
Pay half the fascist to deal with the other half! Lucky for us all they’re selfish whores to their very core.
I tell you what the real myth is. Thinking they need violence to declare martial law. They clearly don’t. So that’s an argument people need to stop making.
Real martial law. And they need footage for the news they just are not getting right now. Not to say the current state of things is sustainable.
It’s possible they have, and those incidents get suppressed for fear of encouraging imitators - similar to Luigi Mangione.
News sites want you scared, but not angry.
Because they are well armed. Attacking them would be a suicide mission and people are not suicidal.
and people are not suicidal.
Citation needed
The fuck is the point of 2a if not to resist this?
For many Americans, I think the reason for their support of 2A is so they can help the fascists against the rest of us. Most 2A supporters that I’ve met are not what I’d call good people. For the rest of us, it’s hard to find someone willing to die in the hail of bullets that will certainly follow the first shot of the resistance.
They are also simply not in their neighborhoods.
I have to concur. I used to work at a place where some portion of employees were NRA style gun owners. Couldn’t help noticing that the people always going on about guns were psychopaths that least should’ve been allowed near anything dangerous.
That’s why https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/huntington-park-border-patrol-agents-door-explosion/3734095/ we lost our government to fascists. They control our military
That’s what the 2a is for. Resistance.
please view the linked article and video of what happened at the house in the article.
Reminder: nazis are worthless pieces of trash. Who could possibly still pull out of this mess with major life changes and yadda yadda.
Nazi COPS are not saveable. They are monsters.
Dehumanizing one’s enemies is what Nazis do.
We need not tolerate the intolerant. Else we have a paradox.
So don’t tolerate them. Don’t act like them either.
again with this? tolerating the intolerant is not possible. in addition, I did not dehumanize them. they do it to themselves.
why do you support nazis?
It’s not about tolerating the intolerant, it’s about not using their same thought process lest you fall prey to the same kinds of propaganda. Besides, removing their humanity absolves them of their sin. This isn’t like a house cat killing birds on instinct, these people choose to do this. And they should be treated accordingly.
Broke: Nazis aren’t human
Woke: The worst monsters to be born on this planet are all human, and they all seem to really like swastikas
fair and cogent reply. i’ll take it. :)
it’s about not using their same thought process
It’s not even close to the same thought process though. You have to know that, right?
removing their humanity absolves them of their sin.
Also, I take issue with the entire concept of “sin,” so that argument holds no water for me. I mean, what a meaningless “argument”. How does it absolve them of anything??
It absolutely is. It’s a thought process people use to make their actions easier to justify to their own sense of morality and empathy. Militaries drill that same thought process into soldiers for the same reason. It’s much easier to shoot something than it is to shoot somebody, so your enemy must be less than human to make pulling the trigger easier. So you turn a group of people into the Other. And the more you do it, the easier it gets, and all it takes is somebody convincing you that the wrong group deserves the same treatment.
“My enemy isn’t human. My enemy is less than human. Since the dawning of Mankind, this has been the battlecry.”
Also, I take issue with the entire concept of “sin,” so that argument holds no water for me. I mean, what a meaningless “argument”. How does it absolve them of anything??
I don’t care one way or another about the theology around the word “sin,” but it’s the perfect word to describe their actions. By reducing them to subhuman, you make it easy to remove their free will in the equation - it becomes the “just following orders” excuse - and it’s incredibly important to remember that they chose to do this. Nobody is born hateful, hatred is learned. They made the conscious choice to be hateful and act this way, and they should be held accountable for that choice.
People have a hard time accepting that the worst people this planet has ever seen are as human as you and me, but to deny it is to turn a blind eye to the fact that the people in that video could be our neighbors, friends, or family. Because we know them, and they’re good people, so they’d never do something like that, right?
I know full well that they are human, and that any human is capable of vile things… I’m not literally dehumanizing people in that I literally see them as subhuman.
I just have a special category on human for fascists that deserve nothing but pain and death because that’s what they are intent on inflicting on the world. They need to be stopped before they literally murder millions of innocent people.
“They are no longer human” doesn’t count as dehumanizing? Is english not your first language?
Those seeking to destroy humanity are not worthy of our humanity.
Are you saying that to defeat Nazis we must become Nazis?
If that’s how your spongy brain wants to see it, sure. By that logic, all of the WWII veterans are actually Nazis.
WW2 veterans didn’t dehumanize people, wtf are you talking about?
They just shot them and turned them into hamburger
They treated them as enemies, not non-humans. Its an important distinction. Its the reason they were the good guys and you’re not.
What do you think a Nazi actually is? Because it isn’t “stop fascists from killing other people.”
Why do you keep equating these two things? It’s weird.
Why are you using Nazi tactics when you supposedly want to stop Nazis?
What “Nazi tactics” am I using, specifically? I would love to know.
Dehumanization
Cops are taking people to concentration camps which will certainly become death camps or slavery in time
I agree that they’re bad people. I do not agree that they aren’t people.
Oh fuck off. People are pissed off and rightly so, don’t impose your bloated sense of morality on them and try to villainize the people being put under the boot of fascists for viewing those fascists as inhuman monsters when they are acting like inhuman monsters. Asking people to humanize victims is fine, but demanding that people humanize those that terrorize them is just moral masturbation. Shut the hell up.
Oh fuck off.
No.
don’t impose your bloated sense of morality on them
My sense of morality is the reason I’m not a Nazi and don’t act like a Nazi.
for viewing those fascists as inhuman monsters
You know what, you’re right. We should just shrug, throw our hands up, and declare “guess they’re just evil subhuman scum!” instead of looking at the problem objectively and dealing with the societal issues that lead human beings into these kinds of ideologies. I bet that’ll work this time.
demanding that people humanize those that terrorize them is just moral masturbation
Bullshit. They are human beings. They have some really bad beliefs and it’s ok to dislike them. You’re already justified. You don’t need the hyperbolus bullshit. You don’t need to talk exactly like they do to make your point.
Fuck fascists. They are subhuman scum because they are actively choosing to be subhuman scum. They forfeit their right to be regarded as a person and became part of a system of hate. It’s not an innate trait of who they are, and I’m not giving them the benefit of empathy when they are making the choice of viewing real people as targets out of pure hatred of them being a different skin color or speaking a different language or being born on a different piece of land. Nazis and fascists gave up their humanity by choice, not by nature. You’re begging sympathy for the devil to appease your ego to feel holier than thou. Fuck your soap box.
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Yep. Which is why they need to be dehumanized. There is a difference when it’s targeting one specific group because of their murderous hatred. They need to be stopped.
You can stop them without using their rhetoric.
History has shown us that there is only one way to stop them. I guess people like you need to learn the hard way again, rather than learn from history.
How exactly is saying “they’re not human” on the internet going to stop them?
Read a history book, then maybe you’ll understand what I was referring to.
I’ve read a few, but none of them said that we defeated Hitler by calling him subhuman on the internet.
Surely the don’t tread on me people are fuming and about to patrol the streets to keep their communities safe, right?
Don’t Tread on me people are perfectly fine with other people getting tread on.
ICE isn’t going to their communities
I’ve only heard the “don’t tread on me” weirdos sing the cell block tango. “they had it coming, they only had themselves to blame.”
Well Harris wasn’t progressive enough for me so this is okay so we can show the democrats we’re sick of them.
If 4 years of bullshit leads to a stronger opposition party that can learn from this and make sure it never happens again, great. That’s admittedly a big bet against heavy odds but one can hope.
People forget this is the second time trump has been president. The Democrats had 4 years to prepare to prevent what we’re currently living with. And they came up with a plan, they chose a doddering senile old man as their candidate then when it became obvious that he was a doddering senile old man they replaced him midstream with his deeply flawed and uncharismatic VP. And she lost, wow, I’m shocked.
So you’re not worried about the people who will die because Trump is in power?
There’s very little I can do about it now. If i.could go back and change it I would. I can’t, so I’m hoping the DNC learns from this. I’m not holding my breath. I’m 90% convinced they’re controlled opposition and have been actively working towards this.
So you’re not, I got it.
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Watching this shit happen in America from afar really is a mind fuck. I continue to fail to understand how Trump can still have any support is beyond me. The facism is just so god damn blatant at this point
Racism. The answer is racism. His white supremacist supporters love watching masked secret police beat the shit out of brown people. Then they’ll blame the next closest person when the food stops being produced and the farm food all rots on the vine
Alleged ICE agents. They haven’t identified themselves, can we really say they’re federal agents?
Remember in 2019 when Hong Kong protestors called the US for help?
Yeah… about that… 👀
(I saw the image and I immediately thought of Hong Kong)
I’m quickly running out of chewing gum.
It’ll keep happening until we all show up with baseball bats.
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Oh so we’re using lethal force (tasers) on suspected illegal immigrants now?
Imagine, I got a 7 day ban on Reddit for saying it would be funny if someone stole an ICE dick’s car and left him standing there with his little mask.
These guys deserve so much worse than being stranded like that. And Reddit is ri-god-damn-diculous.
Yep, MAGA is filled with fucking neo-Nazis who want to turn the USA in to 1930’s Germany.
Dont you guys have the ENTIRE amendment against this shit? Wear a strap, conceal carry and if somebody tries to literally kidnap you, just protect yourself.
