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No more global warming, but a lot more sexual assault.
And deaths from tooth aches, small cuts, the flu…
But at least we’d be “living in an Amish paradise”
No more global warming, and i get to die? what’s the catch?
You did a horrible painful death over 5 years.
Nah sorry i think i’ll just let the world burn then
And also, continued global warming.
Seriously, why does anyone think regressive religious principles would do anything but continue the pillaging of natural resources? Amish are just cosplayers riding on the successes of an industrial civilization, most of them are capitalists who use technology to create crafts to sell to midwest white middle-class folk as their primary means of sustenance.
Amish attitudes towards technology are so contradictory and flimsy they make fantasy genres like Warhammer 40k look sensible.
I’ve seen Amish:
Burn chemicals and paints in a pile behind their shop
Have dumpsters full of plastic “sawdust” from a shop that makes plastic furniture
Rebrand cheap chinese electronics and batteries to sell in their communities (MillerTech)
Zip around on a one wheel
Ride electric scooters
Log out relatively pristine forest to make more farms
Log land that isn’t theirs, without permission, for weeks before being discovered and confronted.
Vote down school levies repeatedly until the local schools shut down
Open a retail store in a mall
These days the amish button isn’t nearly as great as you might think…still funny to think about how everyone would react though
100% for real. On top of the fact that the 4th panel would read:
POOF NO MORE HUMAN RIGHTS NO MORE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH NO MORE FREEDOM OF/FROM RELIGION
Agreed, humans are terrible, no matter our political or technological beliefs.
Um, akshually, there would still be lots of burning things for heat and livestock. Livestock are the majority of all mammals on earth, outnumbering humans by a lot, only 6% of mammals are wild animals. In addition, lack of preserved food would lead to higher consumption.
BUT it being so unsustainable and full of disease would mean it would rapidly decrease populations, which would decrease ecological impact after a couple of generations, so it’s a sound strategy longterm.
My father claims the simple life on a homestead is way closer to nature and pollutes less than living in a city.
He cuts his wood with a chainsaw that’s using a mixture of gas and oil. This gas and oil certainly doesn’t come from the trees. Its imported. But it’s apparently the traditional way.
Then in winter he burns the wood to heat the house and it creates a circle of soot in the white snow all around it. But it’s all natural. On certain days, when you go outside around his house, you can taste the wood burning in the air. All natural!
If we all go back to owning our plot of land and exploit it like settlers, surely this is going to be good for the environment.
Tell him the NEW homestead way is better. Solar panels, lifepo4 batteries, electric chainsaw, heatpump primary wood burn auxiliary if you live somewhere it gets well below freezing.
Before anyone says anything solar still works on a cloudy day it just makes less, that’s why you size your array to make what you need when it’s cloudy not when it’s sunny. Summer can just have an over abundance of power nothing wrong with that
I’m trying and doing experiments. I have a cabin off grid on their land and it’s mostly solar, but I do need to burn wood during winter even if I don’t really like it. He has a sugar shack on another corner of the land and he’s also using solar, except the stoves and boiler. I bought him an inverter and he prefers this to the noisy generator.
However he pretty much hates everything else with batteries. My mother has an electric golf cart and he whines every time the lead acid batteries need maintenance or need to be changed (because of lack of maintenance). I could swap them for lifepo4 batteries, but they’re still going to lose capacity over time and we’re getting to the same point of “but I don’t have to put a $1000 worth of batteries in my tractor every few years”! Same “issue” with an electric ATV for the kids. He hates it because it needs to be charged and the lifepo4 battery had to be changed once. But apparently the cost of gas and diesel doesn’t register.
But yeah. So far at the latitude we’re at, solar power input and consumption varies a lot depending on the seasons. The solar setup is fine for the sugar shack because it’s used during the day in the spring, when there’s no leaves. But in the cabin, it’s been more complicated. I’m not there year-round and it works well in summer, but in winter the lifepo4 batteries need to be heated for hours if not days before I can charge them via solar, and get acceptable performance. It’s a work in progress.
I can highly recommend These batteries for home level power i have 6 of them and they make my offgrid life possible. Rated for 6000 deep discharges (or 16 years of literally daily deep discharge) they have a standard charge range of 5°C to 70°C naturally if you are in a cold latitude an even mildly insulted shed would be ideal to justify stay above that 5c mark.
If your sun is limited especially in winter consider giving east/west vertical panel orientation a shot. And that same site with the batteries has great deals on palettes of solar panels if you just need more in general.
If you aren’t already using 48V for inverters make the switch, much more efficient and long term cheaper. Put your panels into as large of a series string as your inverter will allow before parallel. Higher voltage incurs less resistance losses and it can be a pretty significant loss. Had an inverter die on me and had to drop to an older inverter while waiting for the replacement. It didn’t support the higher voltage as the newer one so had to drop from 320v to 80v ( from one string of 8 to pairs of 2 in parallel) ended up losing almost a full 1kW of peak potential
Thanks for the tips. I’m kind of stuck with the choices I’ve made in the past and I don’t want to upgrade or change before it’s really needed, in order to prevent waste. One is just a cabin where I go maybe a dozen times a year. The other is a sugar shack used in the day for only a few weeks during the spring so it just has a 3000W 24V inverter. It’s enough for the lights and the water pump once in a while. We really don’t need that much power for now but I’ll certainly switch to 48v when we’ll need to upgrade.
As for the ideal temperature, I’ve pretty much given up. The average temps in January are around -10°C and it sometimes goes in the -20°C. I thought about multiple ways to insulate and heat the batteries but in the end, I don’t want to leave this unattended in the middle of a forest. So far my solution in winter for the cabin is to carry a portable power station that was sitting in a heated place.
Lifepo4 is pretty much the one type you can safely leave unattended, it’s very very hard to get them to burn and even when they do it’s mostly smoke. Lithium is the big flame/boom one. The trade off is less energy density compared with lithium but for home storage thats less of an issue. The batteries i shared even feature fire suppression systems (basically an automatically deployed fire ratardant foam internally) for additional protection.
Building a little box of insulation around the batteries using some foam board panels and a water heater blanket with some water pipe heating tape you can get at most hardware stores would be the cheap easy way and should help with the colder month temps. And is easily picked uo and set aside in warmer weather
Tell him the NEW
This is where he’ll lose interest.
Yes and no. Chainsaw is really marginal polluter.
What warms your house in the winter? Where is dirtier snow? In your fathers homestead or in the city? Where is more generaly more particless in the air? In the countryside or in the city.
Wood is better than coal or oil, but worse than nuclear or renevables.
What warms your house in the winter?
Electricity, like the vast majority of people here. About 94% of which is hydroelectricity. Other ways to heat buildings are slowly getting banned anyway.
Where is dirtier snow? In your fathers homestead or in the city?
What? The snow is dirty where there are particles in the air that ends up on the ground. It’s not a contest of city vs countryside. If you live in a place that snows and walk around a house that is heated by wood burning, you will see black particles and specks in the snow surrounding the house. It’s the same at my cabin. When I get there the snow outside is impeccable… until I light the wood stove inside, and then it slowly turns grey all around the cabin. It doesn’t matter if the snow in a city is even dirtier.
Where is more generaly more particless in the air? In the countryside or in the city.
Funny thing, in winter during smog episodes, the air quality can be worse in the countryside because of people burning wood. Anyway, it’s banned in bigger cities because of how horrible this is in dense population centers. So, ironically, the air is more polluted when I go to my parents’ place in the countryside where they are burning wood to heat their house, than around my apartment in the downtown of a major city. Again, sometimes the air quality is worse in the countryside or in suburbs during winter, in large parts because of wood burning.
Natural and Traditional is an axe, not a chainsaw.
Forget the chainsaw. Just burning the wood like we did in the past creates smog over a whole region. Wood burning is banned in my city and I can literally smell it when I go to the next city where it’s allowed.
Where I live winters are brutal and most people switched to electric heating over time. If everyone would go back to wood burning, we’d have really bad air quality and smog in winter, even in the countryside and over small villages.
idk if joining an oppressive religious cult where women have less rights than men do is the answer to global warming.
It might not be the answer, but it certainly is one, if everyone does it.
fair enough
Also it’s not a way of life that scales well to 8 billion people. Wood fires produce way more exhaust at the cost of many trees, while electric heat can be powered by the sun or a flowing river.
Livestock produce tons of CO2, and farming takes a lot of land. We can’t all be Amish, and it certainly wouldn’t solve climate change.
We could be vegetarian Amish. Vegetariamish.
At 4:30 in the morning I’m milkin’ cows
Jebediah feeds the chickens and Jacob plows, fool
And I’ve been milkin’ and plowin’ so long that
Even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone!
We been spending most our lives
Livin’ in an Amish paradise! Ooh Oh Ooooh!
I churned butter once or twice
Livin’ in an Amish paradise! Ooh Oh Ooooh!Hitchin’ up the buggy,
Churnin’ lots of butter,
Raised a barn on Monday,
Soon I’ll raise another!
Think you’re really righteous?
Think you’re pure of heart?
Well I know I’m a million times as humble as thou art!I’m the pious’t guy the little amish wanna be,
Like on my knees day and night,
Scorin’ points for the afterlife!So don’t be vain! And don’t be whiney!
Or else I might have to get medieval on your hiney!Close, but how could you leave out “Amlettes”?
Yeah, I think it’s “more humble”, too.
That one was right (“as humble”).
(Although I still had to look it up even though I just saw him perform it live on Friday)
That would have been an awesome show!
It was!
He’s an amazing performer. Roughly as many costume changes as songs, including mid-medley
Humans would rapidly organize right back into cities and make up whatever rules or interpretations of Amish law/religion that allowed them to. People gonna be people and ignore or twist religion to do whatever they want.
Humans would rapidly organize right back into cities
The Amish already live in townships. Congregations of humans are generally better for the environment than far-flung rural enclaves with low-efficiency infrastructure.
People seem to forget how much ecological destruction occurred at or prior to an Amish standard of living. Case in point, the deforestation of Europe
the bulk of which was completed before the 16th century.
“Primitive” does not mean “ecologically sustainable”. Quite a bit of our animal husbandry, agricultural, and pre-industrial economic activity were horrifyingly bad. We just weren’t operating at the scale of eight billion humans while we were living like that.
Yep. Coal and wood as the main energy sources are absolutely awful. Global warming would be gone because people would be dead from the pollution. There’s a reason that there were tons of maids cleaning old mansions constantly.
“Behold, the Amishinator!”
EDIT: Downvoted by a carrier pigeon sent by the Amish
Egad!
Most interesting parts of Handmaid’s Tale “Gilead” are when they’re boasting about reductions in pollution and greenhouse gas emissions their eco-christo-fascism has produced!
One of the big questions I have about our current Holocene extinction is at what point humans constrain their own polluting capacity based on their contracting biome.
Like, imagine a country like Germany or Japan or Russia or the US having a bad enough agricultural cycle that they experience a massive food shortage (or even a famine) on the scale experienced by Bangladesh or China in the 1950s (or Gaza in the modern day). What does that do to our carbon emissions?
We already saw the impact of COVID on air traffic and the sudden dramatic plunge in regional temperatures that came from not flying planes for a few weeks.
The Amish are the biggest users of private jets. Don’t look that up.
Are you referring to this?
Don’t look up… Why?
Because they were joking
It won’t take the CO2 out of the air, and as they produce just enough food for their own use, a few billion people will starve. Never mind.
Remember if you click that no more porn…
We’ve gone too far. We can’t stop this, we can only stop making it worse and learn to adapt to a changing world climate. The natural global processes of the planet have been altered and they are in the process and chaos of shifting into new normals. How long will it take to stabilize? No one knows. This kinda thing has happened to the planet before, but it happens to be quite catastrophic to the life living on it when it does. The jet stream is collapsing and major ocean currents are shifting. We have absolutely no control over these things and it’s already started. Everything on the planet is connected to these natural processes. It’s why things were the way they were, climate wise. Not anymore!
We need a button like this but it clearly and in common language states the levels of technology and quality of life we can expect.
Humanity globally votes on a spectrum of these agreements until we find a suitable level.
My pitch is; we maintain enough electronic production to keep us all online at a basic desktop computer.
We get one new phone each decade, and one replacement phone should it break.
Other than that, what do we really need? Electricity and farming, a mild amount of houses to be constructed.
We should minimize R&D to things that lower power costs or energy usage/efficiency.
But we don’t need a space program. We don’t need excessive military spending. We don’t need Formula One races, or joy rides in helicopters. We don’t really need tourism. We only need a limited amount of mining and manufacturing. We don’t need plastic toys.
We need a global shift in culture, lifestyle and cooperation… We need to be the techno-amish-collective.
Good tourism is how you avoid wars. No cruises, yes local, trained guides. It’s harder to hate what you know.
Good racing got us the TGV. Formula One is a testbed for hybrid vehicles and efficiency. I don’t know enough to say NASCAR brings no benefits at all, but pretty close to useless.
The current race for resources on the Moon is awful, but unmanned space exploration has helped us learn a lot about our own planet, including the mechanisms of climate change.
What makes you think this is about wars …the comic ends with “no more climate change”… Not “no more wars”.
But also you’re spouting Neo-Liberal propaganda. Italy no doubt hosted international races before being fought against in WW2, and Climate Change is obviously going to have more resource wars than before.
But why does no one here understand my pitch is CLEARLY UTOPIAN. It proposes global solidarity on climate change. Which is obviously a UTOPIAN pitch about climate change.
CLIMATE CHANGE.
Dude… Take a chill pill, look at the sky, and then re-read my comment under a non confrontational light.
No, it’s my utopic idea. I say we don’t need a space program in it…
What part of downsizing our reliance on technology leads everyone to comment and say we need a space program. Why you all so illiterate?
Clearly if I’m talking about downsizing to a scaled back version of society I’m NOT on team rocket.
All you confrontational assholes aren’t going to get me to choose rockets over halting climate change.
I don’t think that vote is going to come out like you’re imagining. Most people either don’t get it at all, or are just too egoistic.
has anybody seen breaking amish? that show is amazing
