We’re so cooked.
Take 1 moment to imagine the enshitification of medicine.
We’re gonna long for the days of sawbones and “you got ghosts in your blood. You should do cocaine about it”
Yeah people think all doctors were straight A students thru med school. Ya’d never know if the one treating you right now was a C- muthafucka.
Med school isn’t easy bro
That C+ doctor retained more knowledge and has a better intuition that the chatGPT doctor
Eh. I think it’s hard to say. These days I think we can be expected to learn so much more than previous generations depending on the field. My psych undergrad emphasized a lot of neurobiology and other hard sciences with the humanities. I use chat to supplement recreational study on top of that, prompting for academic studies, etc., plus following experts around social media. I also saved as much material as I could between textbooks and other resources.
To be fair, just passing med school, even by the slimmest margins, is no easy feat. The idea that a doctor who got D- grades is somehow bad is wrong because they’re still good enough to pass an extremely difficult program.
Yeah, I’d be more comfortable with an A+ doctor, but a doctor still graduated from med school, you know?
If you could pick between two doctors, one A student and one D student, you know you’d pick the A student.
But what if the A student was from some sketchy barely accredited medical school and the D student was from Johns Hopkins.
Who do you pick now?
What if that straight A student from Johns Hopkins develops an opioid addiction and becomes an insufferable asshole but can still manages to oversee the Differential Diagnosis Department?
hell yeah
I’m cured AND I get told to face my scary inner issues.
You also don’t know if the guy that got an A was cheating
Ds get degrees
Jokes on Future Doctor because we’re closing down the hospitals, cancelling the research grants, and taking all the sick people to jail for the crime of being unemployable.
“I’m sorry, but you have Fistobulimia. You may want to put your affairs in order.”
“Oh my god, Doc! That’s terrible. I came here for a runny nose. Are you sure?”
“Pretty sure. It lists… runny nose, tightness of jaw, numb toes, and a pain in your Scallambra region as typical symptoms.”
“I don’t have any of those other things and what the heck is a Scallambra?”
“You don’t have those? Hmm, let me double-check.”
(types)
“Good news! It’s likely a type of Fornamic Pellarsy. Says 76.2387% recovery rate by leeching. System’s already sent a referral.”
Cant wait for vibedoctoring!
Vibe chef
Vibe counsellor
Vibe investor
Vibe structural engineer
Vibe foreign policy writer
Vibe tactical battle management
Vibe strategic nuclear weapons targeting and launch profile analyst
Vibe radiation poisoning treatment
Vibe chef (human meat)
Just allow AIs to write prescriptions. I’m sure it will be fine.
/s
9001 kg of bananas to be taken rectally
My doctor regularly Google’s my symptoms while I’m sitting in the room so IDK if ChatGPT is worse.
It definitely is worse. Depending on which hits your doctor uses, there is legit medical knowledge on the internet, while chatgpt will just make stuff up.
I know a lot of young people see no difference between chatgpting something and googling it, and google has become really awful, but there is still a huge difference, since you can make google results better by using your brain and source criticism, while there is no such option with chatgpt.
You can prompt or customize chat to give sources. I include prompts like “check for coherence, scientific accuracy” etc. too, depending on what I’m using it for.
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I really like Harvard’s Nutrition Source for science-based nutrition info that’s easy to understand.
I have had absolutely terrible luck with PCPs believing my symptoms or looking at them holistically - even just to gat a referral to the right specialist. In this moment AI has been better at pointing me in the right direction than my previous PCPs. 🤷
This is what people miss. If you’ve experienced a chronic condition that doctors don’t know what to do with, then trying alternatives seems pretty attractive.
I call it the “witchcraft par of my health journey.”
Ok but my counter argument is that if they pass their exam with GPT, shouldn’t they be allowed to practice medicine with GPT in hand?
Preferably using a model that’s been specifically trained to support physicians.
I’ve seen doctors that are outright hazards to patients, hopefully this would limit the amount of damage from the things they misremember…
EDIT: ITT bunch of AI deniers who can’t provide a single valid argument, but that doesn’t matter because they have strong feelings. Be sure to slam the “this doesn’t align with how I want my world to be” button!
I love having a doctor who offloaded so much of their knowledge onto a machine that they can’t operate without a cell phone in hand. It’s a good thing hospitals famously have impenetrable security, and have never had network outages. And fuck patient confidentiality, right? My medical issues are between me, my doctor, and Sam Altman
And the people Sam Altman sold your info to.
Do you realize your argument is basically the same argument people used to make about calculators? That they were evil and should never be used because they make kids stupid and how will their brains develop and yap yap yap.
There is a scenario where doctors are AIDED by AI tools and save more lives. You outright reject this on the edge case that they loose that tool and have to * checks notes * do what they do right now. How does that even make sense?
Going by that past example, this is how it’ll go: you’ll keep bitching and moaning that it’s useless and evil up until your dying breath, an old generation that will never embrace the new tech, while the world around you moves on and figures out out how to best take advantage of it. We’re at the stage where it’s capabilities are overhyped and oversold, as it always happens when something is new, and eventually we’ll figure out how to best use them and when/where to avoid them.
And fuck patient confidentiality, right?
How is this an AI problem? That’s already fucked - 5 million patients data breached, here other 4.5M patients, the massive Brazil one with 250 million patient records, etc etc. The list is endless, as health data increasingly goes online, best you come to terms that it will be unlawfully accessed sooner rather than later, with or without AI.
EDIT to add: on your case of network outages, do you know what happens right now when there’s a network outage at a hospital? It already stops working - you can’t admit patients, you don’t have access to their history or exams, basically can’t prescribe anything, can’t process payments. Being unable to access AI tools is the least of the concerns.
Do you realize your argument is basically the same argument people used to make about calculators?
It is nothing of the sort, and you using that comparison either shows you understand nothing about LLMs or that you are just being disingenous.
!remindme 20 years
The difference between an AI and a calculator is that we have data showing that using LLMs degrades users’ reading comprehension, and no such data with calculators re: ability to do math. Also, calculators don’t rely on the internet. Also, calculators don’t send confidential patient data to a third party. Also, a doctor can get the output of an equation by hand, and you cannot get the output of an LLM by hand.
How is this an AI problem?
This is a deeply unserious comment. Data gets breached sometimes, so let’s just give all of our data away for free lmao
Thag might be okay if what said GPT produces would be reliable and reproducible, not to mention providing valid reasoning. It’s just not there, far from it
It’s not just far. LLMs inherently make stuff up (aka hallucinate). There is no cure for that.
There are some (non llm, but neural network) tools that can be somewhat useful, but a real doctor needs to do the job anyway because all of them have various chances to be wrong.
Not only there’s a cure, it’s already available: most models right now provide sources for their claims. Of course this requires the user the gargantuan effort of clicking on a link, so most don’t and complain instead.
Why bother going to the doctor then? Just use Web Md.
“just replace developers with ai”
You bother going to the doctor because an expert using a tool is different than Karen using the same tool.
Doctors right now Google or ask chat gpt what they don’t know ( atleast the goofling part is good if rather than barking out false stuff )
I’m a doctor and I google all the time. There’s nothing inherently wrong with googling the question is what source are you using from there.
thats exactly what i said , googling is fine as the doctor can also judge the sources and stuff and preferred rather than a doctor barking something out without knowledge because he/ she doesnt want to google. , using AI ? is on another level of bad.
But if ChatGPT is able to pass med school it must mean AI is good?
I could pass that too if I had all the books and can sift through them in seconds.
Have you ever had an open book exam?
Open books exams are bounded by time, something an AI has plenty of, ridiculously more than a person, to say it’s giving them an advantage is missing the absurdity of the situation as it also had much more time to train and “study”, and yet it produces the results it does.
What results? We are assuming it passes med school, so the result must be good.
The results people get from prompting current models, which hallucinate, a lot, and that’s not really a fixable issue
So then ChatGPT wouldn’t pass the exam, nothing to worry about.
