Running water would be nice
And solar panels and a big battery for electricity. And a good sceptic system so i don’t have to crap in a hole in the ground outdoors 500 feet away from my house. And a good general store in easy driving distance. And a powerful 4x4 vehicle that can get down to the main road even when the giant driveway path is very muddy or covered in 5 feet of snow. And a decent medical facility not too far away so when a health problem arises i don’t lose a limb that could’ve been saved. And a post office not too far away so i can get packages delivered. And and and …
Sounds like Jackson Hole would be perfect! Hope you’re a billionaire…
I think that comes from the roof.
(water incursion is a huge source of anxiety; this place is NOT for me)
Find a stream, dig a well, set up a rain collection system, have a cistern / pump / filter.
Yep, its difficult, but not impossible.
People have been doing that for tens of thousands of years… though I will grant you this is increasingly, unrealistically difficult for an average person to pull off these days, even if you basically learn how to properly do all of it yourself, lots more legal restrictions, and construction/materials are costly.
Nah, I still want to live in a community. Just not the fake community we have now.
Also, log cabin homes are bad. The one pictured has the internal space of an efficiency apartment, but uses far more logs of wood to get a much draftier result. You could get a lot of 2x4s out of this thing.
Yea but if a tree falls on it, its going to survive the impact. Which is kind of important in the woods.
Native Americans came up with plenty of dwellings using the same materials in the same environment. Most of those were far less wasteful. Trees falling are not that common.
Were they permanent dwellings? It’s fascinating how different cultures come up with different construction techniques, if you have any links with more info could you please share them?
Funny enough, a tree just fell on my water tank at camp.
Drafty? You know they put isolation between the logs right?
By not opening the logs, you don’t invite moisture to the wood either. If you made them into 2x4’s and didn’t treat them, you’d have rot within a few years. It’s not exactly a coincidence that log cabins where the norm where you had enough wood to support them.
Absolutely not. I was doing Spanish learning on an app and laughed at the guy who moved from “una casa oscura en las afueras” to “un apartmento soleado en el centro” (from the dark and gloomy house in the outskirts to the sunny apartment in the center of town) and raised his spirits because that is also the way I feel about living.
Nah, fuck this. This isolationist mentality from larpers is what lead us to this fucking mess. This is fucking terrible, and people shouldn’t be living in this shit, and 99% of those who tried know it.
😂 poor little guy. What would you even do without DoorDash?!
There’s no way you could hack it, so there’s absolutely no way many, (MANY) other people could!
Oh, a bunch of people really believe they can and should live in isolation from society. Some of them really are. Most of them have or about to have a mental illness that is exacerbated by fearmongering from all the weird groups, and isolation transitions them from kinda weird guys that need a bit of help, to full on psychos. Just look what a little bit of covid isolation did to so many people, and they had zoom.
Of course I couldn’t “hack it” in social isolation, but neither do you, and your doordash comment only shows that you actually have very little idea what you’re talking about.
Counterpoint: I tried and I want to leave this broken society even more now (especially since societal enshitification seems to even accelerate).
Though you still need social contacts (that you really like) to avoid loneliness, so in case you have that, it’s a wonderful, peaceful and healthy way to live more in harmony with nature, but it’s a lot of work nonetheless.
Take it from someone who actually experienced living in a remote isolated place. It’s as far as peaceful, healthy, and quiet lives you can imagine. You’re not a druid from a larp, and you’re not an animal born in a ditch, you will not be in “harmony” with nature, whatever the fuck you mean by it, you will be in a constant opposition to it, in a fight for your life, and “the nature” will consume you in the end. I know you’re not one of those people who actually thrives in that environment, I know it because we’re talking on the internet, and weird forest isolationists don’t talk to other people on the internet.
All that remote hut bullshit is a sham perpetuated by antisocial weirdos and scammers that sell buckets of prep food you can shit in.Ok, right the details are a lot of work to “survive”. In case you’re really completely isolated from society. I agree with that. Definition of harmony is what I probably missed (I did not necessarily mean the romantic understanding of it), you’re a lot more dependent on it. I did though in fact live somewhat remote for some time (as volunteer) and did indeed thrive there, I like hard rather primitive work in nature. The exact circumstances are also important (i.e. does it rain a lot, is climate mild, is winter hard (heating etc.)). But… you actually do stuff that makes sense, as your survival depends on it. Not like having to fix zillions of bugs in an overabstracted frontend, having to deal with incompetent but arrogant and power hungry bosses and all that artificial stress we have put our lives in. Or having to read the non ending negative influx of idiocracy that Trump produces everyday.
I rather like to keep things more fundamental. And I think if you’re up for it (i.e. active/fit, craftly etc.) it can be fullfilling. Obviously it’s not as romantic as you probably imagine most of the time. But I rather like to deal with this than having to get angry about society not seeing that our probably most important problem is climate change and not migrants etc. and not caring enough about it.
Dpending on your definition of ‘fast’, you can pull this off with those newfangled 5G base station/routers.
Just gotta find a place near enough to a city, not too far into the boonies.
Cheaper than Starlink.
Fast enough to game to game on, unless there’s some kind of serious servicd outage or massive weather storm of some kind.
As someone who lives out in those boonies in the middle of a forest, (groceries are a mere 100 mile round trip. I did that yesterday), the internet has had a funny journey here. We pretty much went from dialup to fiber, sometimes it’s good to be last. We’ve had fiber now for 6 or 7 years. While it’s only 2.4G, still fast enough for most people. But weather can make internet and electricity somewhat spotty as winds can blow trees over and the lights go out.
But we still very much behind on cell service. Due to the trees and and hills, towers can be far and few between. Many places have poor to no service. I can sometimes get a text message out in my yard, but making a phone call isn’t happening. And most places I forage or hunt in have no service at all. If I have a heart attack, ain’t no one dialing 911 for me unless they use the land line in the house. Weirdly enough there is one spot one the lake I live on that I can get 5G. It seems to be about a 200 yard circle.
What all of these swaive, 'fisticated, and urbane Ubanites will miss is the “quality of life” they are used to. “Fun things” like movies, concerts, plays, shopping, fine dining, are either miles and miles away or non-existent. Best we can do for you is Brodini being in town for a one Saturday afternoon comedy magic show in the summer. And for shopping, you can always use Amazon and wait a week or two for the shipping.
But I get to sit here this morning, breathing in the smoke from the Canadian forest fires, (we are not quite in the promised orange yet today), and drink my tea over looking a quiet lake and listen to the loon out in front of my house. I think it takes a special mind set to live like this. And most people don’t have it because they don’t know anything different.
Thoreau comes to mind.
Yep… its a different way of life.
Slower, more intentional, less frills, less impulsive, different kinds of worries, different kinds of joys.
I myself am this… really weird sort of person that more or less grew up quite close to that, but alsi loved tech from a young age, went to uni, went to work as a corpo…
And I saw that all this ‘high falutin’ fast life was fun, very engaging, very rewarding in novel ways… but also, just… not ultimately sustainable, not the way we do it in most of the US… too much debt, too much consumerism, too much greed.
“Too many men, too many people, causing too many problems… not much love to go around.”
So, now that … well basically the economy is totally collapsing… well I at least am adaptable, and know how to live lean, do the long term planning I can afford to.
I forget which Bond movie it was, but Desmond Llewelyn’s last line as Q:
Always have an escape plan.
It’s been 50 years or so since I read Thoreau. And honestly, it was a bit of a slog for a teen. Some of what I read I didn’t understand in the moment of my age. But I vividly remember being disappointed in the end that he packed up and went back to town and all things he thought he didn’t want. Why go back? But his words and view of the world did resonate with me and I still think about ol’ Dave now and then.
So come on over this afternoon. I need to pull the grey water pump out of my septic tank to replace the burnt out motor. At least it’s summer and not -10F. And tomorrow we can pull the left rear wheel off the big tractor and drop the fuel tank so I can replace the sender unit for the fuel gage. At least I don’t have fluid in the rear tires and the tank ain’t full of diesel.
These are the types of things most people from the big cities who think about the “idyllic” life tend to not understand are a part and parcel of this life style. If you think you would be fine with those kinds of days, then come out! This is the life for you. And honestly, we also need you.
I’d honestly love to join you, unfortunately, at the moment, I am crippled, doing PT everyday.
It is grueling but it is working… but yeah, at the moment, I couldn’t hack it, I’d just be a drain.
Another 3 or 6 months?
Maybe re-evaluate then.
Like I said, I am familiar with that kind of lifestyle, and… it seems much more appealing, and also rewarding.
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I am… more or less doing the hermit thing, just in a shitty, but very cheap apartment, spending basically nothing, taking a sabbatical, just slowly building up savings and paying off debt…
Credit Karma tells me I have a better than average credit score for … my age group… which is basically horrifying, as I literally spent a year homeless following bring fucked up in an assault, got my identity and all ids and cards stolen, lost my job…
But somehow, I, really only not literally homeless for about the last 9 months…
Somehow I am doing financially better than average?
Either that’s CK lying, or the US is completely fucked, outside of billionaires.
That’s what I mean when I say… this whole way America does urban society just largely does not work, the economy is currently imploding into Great Depression 2.0, but this time, instead of Hoovervilles, we’re gonns have concentration camps for the homeless.
I just barely escaped the cutoff point on being in that statistic, but, if SSDI gets pared down… well then no actually, I didn’t.
Fun stuff to live in ‘interesting’ times.
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EDIT: Well shit.
You are apparently in Minnesota, apologies for ‘stalking’ / browsing your entirely public comment history.
My plan for uh, not dying in the next decade actually has been to get to Minnesota as soon as my legs and back can actually handle it…
Lots of fresh water, not a deep red state, seems to be the … least likely to get completely fucked by the coming widespresd increase of climate disasters, also has a pretty reasonable CoL, as well as a reasonably stable and varied economic mix, half the country is doing a housing market nose dive, not MN, seems like it avoided a good deal of speculation.
I guess if you’ve got any general… relocation tips, some fairly quiet town or neighborhood for me to land in MN, maybe end of this year, maybe next year, I’d appreciate it.
Best I can say is if medical care is an important need for you, then you will need to look at the Minneapolis/St Paul metro area. Rural areas lack much of the health care you might need. As a retired medic that worked in rural areas, I’m not lying when I say if I were to have a heart attack at home, I’m probably very dead before help can arrive.
While Minnesota shows as a mostly blue state, that is because we have one large metropolitan area that dominates the rest of the state. And outside of that metro region, the rural 80% of the state skews from purple to red.
Otherwise, plan on long cold winters that can grind some people mentally and what to us is warm and very humid summers. We are an outdoors people that enjoy the 3 months of summer and spend as much of our time outdoors as possible. Preferably on a lake in a boat, we own a LOT of boats. Even in winter we find snowmobiling, skiing, and ice fishing as popular hobbies. We are all about the outdoors for sure.
As far as the denizens of the state go, we are Minnesota Nicetm to everyone, but as individuals we are mostly stoic and often wary of outsiders. And the farther you get from the cites, the more that becomes apparent. So it can be difficult to build friendships. You can live in a town for 20 years years and still be considered the “new people”. Or you can be accepted and welcomed immediately. YMMV for sure.
If you decide to move here, I wish you luck. As a whole, we are a good and helpful place to live. But there can be bumps on the road of life here also.
Best I can say is if medical care is an important need for you, then you will need to look at the Minneapolis/St Paul metro area. Rural areas lack much of the health care you might need. As a retired medic that worked in rural areas, I’m not lying when I say if I were to have a heart attack at home, I’m probably very dead before help can arrive.
Makes sense, I believe you.
My idea is to make the move after I am more mobile, more healed.
At the moment, I am doing PT at home, after getting some inital PT sessions and them giving me printed out worksheets.
No real point in paying for more visits when I just do exactly the same thing at the PT center, as what I do at home.
While Minnesota shows as a mostly blue state, that is because we have one large metropolitan area that dominates the rest of the state. And outside of that metro region, the rural 80% of the state skews from purple to red.
Yep, I’ve seen the county level voting maps, who runs city governments of Minneapolis, St Paul, Rochester, Winona, Duluth, St Cloud, Brainerd, Bemidji… and I’m originally from the Seattle area, pretty much exact same region political pattern.
Otherwise, plan on long cold winters that can grind some people mentally and what to us is warm and very humid summers. We are an outdoors people that enjoy the 3 months of summer and spend as much of our time outdoors as possible. Preferably on a lake in a boat, we own a LOT of boats. Even in winter we find snowmobiling, skiing, and ice fishing as popular hobbies. We are all about the outdoors for sure.
All sounds amazing to me, again, grew up in the PNW, lots and lotsa outdoorsy culture as well, particularly boating, hiking, hunting.
Though, our winters are nowhere near as harsh generally, but I know what a lot of actual snow is like, the Cascade foothills and towns often get around as much snow as what ya’ll just get generally, and I’ve spent a few winters in 3 to 6 feet of snow up there, know how to dress and drive in snow.
As far as the denizens of the state go, we are Minnesota Nicetm to everyone, but as individuals we are mostly stoic and often wary of outsiders. And the farther you get from the cites, the more that becomes apparent. So it can be difficult to build friendships. You can live in a town for 20 years years and still be considered the “new people”. Or you can be accepted and welcomed immediately. YMMV for sure.
And we have the ‘Seattle Freeze’ or ‘Seattle Chill’ over in western WA, basically the same thing.
Whole lotta Fins and Swedes and Norweigans seem to be the reason for that, were the first large groups of white people that settled in both MN and western WA, set the sort of cultural norms that largely still persist…
… and I already am that same way too, hahah.
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Not to be too blunt, but geographically, Minnesota basically seems like western WA, but flat, with harsher winters, and a lack of salt water giving that lovely smell… that also corrodes everything metal more quickly.
Plus tornadoes.
Less volcanoes though, less earthquakes.
Roughly same amount of forest fire and smoke either in the area or coming down from Canada.
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If you decide to move here, I wish you luck. As a whole, we are a good and helpful place to live. But there can be bumps on the road of life here also.
I appreciate it, and your rundown here.
Lets just say in terms of moving, all I’d really have to do is … find an apartment to move into, pack all my shit into a rental uhaul, and drive something like 3-6 hours east on I 90 / north on other highways.
I just have to get to the point where I can physically manage the packing all my shit into a uhaul part.
Well, and/or figure out just some kind of rental situation that’ll actually allow me to do a cross state lines, fairly long haul move, that doesn’t wipe me out financially.
Nah, this and a laptop with 16TB.
Been living like this for over a decade in south east asia and its incredible. Got all of my tech gadgets, 1gbps, jungle, beach, rescue dogs and occasional road trip to the city. If you can earn 3k usd/mo remotely you can have all of this too!
Sometimes I get the vague sense that I’ve already seen a post in my /all view, but I don’t think i’ve ever seen them back to back like this. Not even the title is different
Cross-posting as part of ongoing boycotting/protest efforts against .ml
Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Sure, but:
- That doesn’t excuse not even attempting a first-blush attempt at authoring even just the title yourself
and
- Constantly reposing duplicates en-mass makes the experience way worse for those of us who don’t have a personal vendetta against particular target lemmy instances and who haven’t defederated with them out of spite or distaste
do what you want but this is basically just petty vandalism
Constantly reposing duplicates en-mass makes the experience way worse for those of us who don’t have a personal vendetta against particular target lemmy instances and who haven’t defederated with them out of spite or distaste
It’s not possible to cater things in a way that’s pleasant for everyone at once. Your slightly degraded experience, is another’s “godsend” be it because they were forced out of .ml because of the “horrible” crime of supporting ukraine or calling out Russian propaganda or because by choice ala instance defederation or choosing to block them
Hence the reason people say, you need to cater your feed for an optimal experience.
Making the experience worse for everyone because you have a personal ideological disagreement with another instance is hardly what I’d consider a justified moral crusade, but it’s easy enough to block reposts when they’re coming from a single user, so you do you.
I’m curious how you can justify speaking for everyone? How is everyone’s experience worse? I’m sure the users of lemmy.cafe or any other instance that defederates or otherwise blocks .ml don’t notice a degradation.
I’ve even had people thank me for doing what I do because it’s actually an improvement for them so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Reposting these memes shows up on everyone’s feed regardless of if they’re subscribed or federated with .ml - i’m not speaking for ‘everyone’, only pointing out who your script is impacting, which is everyone in that subset.
Not everyone has gotten banned on .ml.
Just a small point of clarification, there’s no script, every crosspost is done manually. It would actually be rather impractical to script it, since I wouldn’t want to accidentally crosspost some Tankie crap, like an RT article or a pro-NK meme or something lmao
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I don’t see the .world admins constantly in the modlog censoring and banning to push a certain narrative, unlike on .ml
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Went straight to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works threads
Nothin but a lil Tankie Troll
Pass, I like being able to walk to the store and concerts and stuff. Maybe with the hydroponics and aeroponics boom everybody can just live in a city and leave nature alone?
In theory cities are more efficient, than living off-grid, I agree.
In reality though if you’re really careful and know what you’re doing (and are really disciplined and have educated yourself), you can live a true carbon neutral life.
All the infrastructure in cities and everything around modern life is just destructive in so many ways unfortunately…
And unfortunately the mass of people don’t care enough, to initiate the necessary systemic changes to make cities truly sustainable…
Reminds me of that guy from the Good Place who ran a snail rehab.
And that is relevant how? I don’t say that it’s a lifestyle for the average person, definitely not.
Because he lived sustainably alone in the woods off of his own filtered piss and a snail filled garden. In the end he did all of that to get into the good place and still didn’t.
It was analogous to the unreachable perfect standard of goodness.
So you’re extrapolating from this single case? As I say, if you know what you’re doing it’s less effort than you think, you let nature do its thing for you and just nudge it in the right direction, so you just harvest the fruits. And yet again, just because that lifestyle isn’t for you it can still be for others…
I’m not extrapolating, this isn’t data, it’s fiction lmao
So in other words you’re trolling and don’t care about being right or wrong…
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So, the exurbs?
