They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don’t like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?
In dry bureaucratic language, the memo outlines a plan to revoke citizenship from the children of both immigrants who lack permanent legal status and many lawful residents, including visa holders, Dreamers, and asylum-seekers. It envisions intrusive federal review of parents’ papers—quite possibly in the hospital, before or shortly after birth—to gauge the newborn’s legal status. And it paves the way for people who spend their entire lives in the United States to be deported to countries in which they’ve never stepped foot, or to be condemned to the limbo of statelessness.
I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S… Perhaps he’ll be deported to Cuba?
Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one’s citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren’t citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.
If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I’d start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.
SO, If I’m descended from Native Americans AND Canadians, does that mean I’d get deported to Canada, or would being descended from Native people protect me from deportation even if that means I’m not “lily white”?
Why Antarctica? What’s wrong with Sudan or El Salvador? 😜
Regarding Lil’ Marco, I wish they’d deport him and his fascist bootlicking family to Cuba
Rules for thee… not for me.
Selective enforcement. Well who knows, they’ll have AI crawling the data
Stop pretending that’s how laws work, abd fucking gight.
Please.
Under these rules, Trump himself isn’t a citizen
And his, ahem, ‘wife’ is definitely not.
Here’s another thing to think about… This is another distraction because the obese tangerine is on the Epsteins kiddie fiddling list. He’s a convicted rapist and rapes children.
Hitler didn’t have blonde hair either
Back to Oompa Loompa Land he goes.
Can you explain that please? I just read the document and I don’t see why this is true.
His mother was an immigrant with questionable citizenship at the time of his birth.
And his father? Because it also says clearly that as long as one parent is a green card holder or citizen that citizen ship is granted.
His father is questionable as well since he had immigrant parents on both sides.
Thank you 🙏🙏
Wait… I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn’t citizenship be determined at that time, then?
They can’t even get their own story straight.
Almost like they never actually cared and were just lying to manipilate you, or something!
If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.
The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don’t need to be consistent, it is all about “winning” to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.
This is literally how demons are in Frieren.
I feel like that’s giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren’t immoral they’re just ammoral, they straight up don’t have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.
Now you are getting it.
I don’t know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
By “anti-Semites” Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).
This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.
The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.
The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
Or we could shift to systems that don’t require us to be cancer.
Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.
But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.
Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.
still require agriculture
Im talking about the ‘must always grow’ shit. Yes we still need food
immigrants
Fuck borders. Why? What’s the benefit of them to actual people? They’re just problems. Let people ho where they want.
people shouldn’t be alienated from their food
Agree.
fuck corporate (thing)
Agree
Let people ho where they want.
Preserving this amazing typo in case you decide to “fix” it.
Spotted it, decided not to.
Here’s a wacky idea: if Americans won’t do it, Americans don’t get to eat. Let’s see how long it takes for things to change…
So yeah, many people could use that kind of tough love and reconnecting with the basic realities of life. It would legitimately improve the mental and physical health of the population too.
Unfortunately the conservatives have already claimed the strategy of starving the young and the infirm because their parents or caretakers aren’t good enough worker bees.
Or physically can’t.
This country is also way too big and its climates are way too varied to support its population on small subsistence farms all year long.
We could do it that way a century and a half ago, but even then we were reliant on industrialized farming and food production.
It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.
Fine, let’s play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren’t american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say “these aren’t our citizens so we’re shipping them back.” It’s cruel, which he’s okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.
So what’s the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away.
Slavery. They’ll make them work for free, as if that’s not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?
the rich: “I hate how I have most of the money instead of all of the money.”
You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away
Republicans: “Hold my beer”
I was going to get rage-baited into making a “point” about reasoning and how Trump wasn’t a “native” American… but I’m resisting the engagement temptation. There is no “logic”, it’s all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.
With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we’re their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren’t more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?
Because the people that hate republicans are usually moral people and wreaking havoc and mayhem isn’t something we usually do.
Their allies? White Racists, neo-Nazis, everyone who wants a dictatorship and the Russians. All of them are worthless shits.
Don’t forget the ultra rich, as much as the ultra rich would like you to forget them.
Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while
Their allies are white white supremacists who don’t consider you people and because Americans have a severe case of invertebrate-osis respectively.
What’s his plan to release the Epstein files?
This is the actual point
DO NOT LET HIM DISTRACT US FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES WITH THIS CRAZY PLAN
I think this is the game to watch…the epstien files will just be entertaining, Trump is doing all of this clutching pearls stuff over the EF to get a bunch of other stuff passed…they’ve had a bunch of time to doctor the EF . When finally released it will be a shell of actual facts, hell my bets on Greta thurnburg being a client.
You saw it already.
Get progressively more unhinged because people haven’t stopped asking for them?
As is now tradition.
It sounds like he’s trying to recreate Epstein’s empire himself. Why else would they want to arrest babies?
Trump just released Miller’s plan
Italian plumbers need to pay that cucked pedophile a visit
That would be 🕶️ super
He is now much closer to his goal
Removing the citizenship of all non white people
Wow, what an “efficient” way to ruin people’s lives. For no reason but the cruelty itself. The UN list of human rights has been ignored completely by most, if not all countries. But everybody is supposed to be entitled to a nationality. Otherwise, where the hell are you going to live? A small uninhabited unowned island? Antarctica? So, in a disturbingly normal turn of events, the government has infringed upon its residents human rights.
They could join the tech- and cryptobros on their libertarian dream cruiseships.
I don’t think most women could be desperate enough to join Elon’s harem. But then again, plenty of women in significantly less dire situations have in fact joined his harem.
I don’t understand why this would be a massive problem in the USA. My country (the netherlands) doesn’t have birthright citizenship and it hasn’t caused any issues. Why would it be different in the USA?
The Netherlands has citizenship for people born in the country while their primary residence is in the Netherlands which is pretty similar. It’s important because it was outright guaranteed in the 14th Amendment, which was written to make sure that formerly enslaved African-Americans had a nationality. The country also has an obscenely large and corrupt deportment force, ICE. The country has an extremely long history of immigration, which continues to this day. As far as I know, there’s a lot fewer people moving to the Netherlands, far fewer entering from non-European countries.
That is not entirely true: https://www.nederlandwereldwijd.nl/nederlandse-nationaliteit/nederlander-worden-geboorte-erkenning
The point that takes this as topic is: “Op de dag van uw geboorte woonden u en uw vader of moeder in Nederland. En uw opa of oma woonde op de dag dat uw vader of moeder werd geboren ook in Nederland.”
Which translates to
“On the day you were born, you and your father or mother lived in the Netherlands. And your grandfather or grandmother lived on the day your father or mother was born in the Netherlands.”
So it’s not as simple as you put it, there’s an extra step there in the form of a grandparent.
Oh, that makes sense. I probably misread the site. Mb. Anyways, the US is hypothetically supposed to be inclusive of different cultures and easy enough to immigrate to. It’s not. It’a had better moments though.
So if as an American, you were to lose your documentation, unless you are lily white, you can be contained by ICE.
Be scared.
I see withholding licenses and registrations as a tactic pigs are going to use in the future.
No not your documentation. Your parent’s documentation
Yeah, but also for most things requiring proof of citizenship in the US, people generally use their birth certificate or a document, like a passport or real ID, that was originally obtained with a birth certificate. If birthright citizenship is no longer a thing, how would you even provide documentation for your parents’ citizenship if they aren’t naturalized citizens? Can’t rely on their birth certificates because that no longer matters and now I have to prove my grandparents were/are citizens to prove my parents are citizens and on and on. It doesn’t even make sense.
It makes complete sense when you understand that the goal isn’t to deport “illegal immigrants” (whatever that’s supposed to mean), but anyone they want (and that “deport” effectively means disappear).
Your only defence is to be a member (in good standing) of their group (and only as long as you remain in good standing).
Otherwise you’re fair game.
And there’s nothing you can legally do about it (except leave the country before they get to you, but then you risk getting caught as you cross the border to leave), because it’s intentionally impossible for you to follow the law.
“illegal immigrants” (whatever that’s supposed to mean)
Attempting to violate constitutional law through executive order is vile, and all law enforcement should be in uniform and identifiable (and held to higher standards than non-law enforcement) so I am completely against everything Trump is doing, but let’s not pretend illegal immigration isn’t a thing as a knee jerk in the other direction.
Illegal immigration is crossing the border without legally passing through customs to establish a legal right to be in that country, or overstaying your legal right to be there (Visa). People who are in a country illegally are rightfully subject to deportation back to wherever they are citizens. Pretending otherwise just helps more moderate people buy into the propaganda and let’s the ratchet work more easily.
We are all rightly complaining about Trump violating the law, so how is it also not a problem for people to violate immigration law? This is the problem I have that leaves me stuck in the middle.
Sanctuary cities that flaunt immigration law are, while not just as bad, still bad. When Trump (lies) and says he only wants to target people here illegally who commit crimes, and a sanctuary city prevents law enforcement cooperation with ICE, that just adds to the narrative of felon illegal immigrants and then you have ICE going after those people at home and grabbing everyone around them as by catch. This only helps the Trump.
how is it also not a problem for people to violate immigration law
Because they don’t give a flying fuck about whether the people they’re disappearing have violated any laws or not.
They’ve disappeared citizens, they’ve disappeared people following the legal process to immigrate, without letting them finish, they’ve disappeared tourists who didn’t even have any intention to immigrate.
They’re fascists. They don’t care about the law. It’s just an excuse to do what they want. Marketing to attract gullible racist idiots to their cause.
But, even if that wasn’t enough, even if you don’t care about their real motives, even if you don’t care whether the law is good or not or how it’s applied, as I said in my previous answer they’re designing their new laws in such a way that it’s impossible for anyone not to violate them.
Even if you were to always carry your parents’ and grandparents’ birth certificates on you, what about your great grandparents?
Everyone in the USA is an immigrant or a descendant of immigrants! (Sure, some got there long enough ago that they were probably the first to arrive and can therefore be called natives, but they’re the wrong colour, so they don’t matter and will be disappeared anyway.)
Ironically, the only people who’ll be able to prove they’re in the country legally (not that it matters, since, as I said, the fascists don’t care) will be those with a green card, properly stamped foreign passport, or similar documents.
Making laws impossible to follow and then applying them arbitrarily to achieve their own goals and not the laws’ has been standard fascist fare since fascism was invented (and, before that, standard autocratic authoritarian fare).
Watching fascists do their thing and pointing at the law and saying that their victims deserved it or should have known better is disingenuous at best, almost certainly malicious, and definitely monstrous.
And I’ll finish with this:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles.
From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!Now, I’m not an American, I don’t care about American nationalism or pride, but this is what America, the USA, was supposed to be, what it was supposed to mean. A nation of immigrants, welcoming liberty seeking refugees to her shores. A beacon of freedom and democracy to which everyone could aspire.
Of course, it never really was that. But it was a nice thought.
Something is clear, though; anyone justifying the current government’s actions in the name of defending America, or American ideals or culture is either extremely ignorant or an hypocrite. And they’re most definitely un-American.
And I’ll finish with this
Ah, no, wait, sorry, there’s also this:
This is the problem I have that leaves me stuck in the middle.
There’s no middle ground with fascists.
You’re either actively against them, or you’re part of the problem.
Maybe you’re one of them, or just a useful hateful racist idiot aiding and abetting them while you wait for your turn to be disappeared for not being fascist enough, but if you’re not fighting against them you’re contributing to their crimes against humanity.
And if you’re just a useful idiot, bear this in mind:
You won’t appease them. They won’t stop. They won’t thank you. They won’t hesitate to treat you like any other undesirable (including many who believed themselves to be part of their group). You’ll end up like any other “illegal immigrant” when your turn comes.
And if they’re not stopped, rest assured, it will come.
You’re either actively against them, or you’re part of the problem.
I’ll take this whole section generously as a nebulous “you” and not you directly calling me either “one of them or a useful hateful racist”.
Two things can both be wrong, it’s not a zero sum game between open borders and fascist police states. Treating it as such caused the Democrats to lose some amount of support base, and did contribute to Trump getting reelected. The increase in Trump support from Hispanics and other immigrant groups was partially from resentment with treating illegal immigration as equivalent to legal immigration.
Yes, the poem on the Statue of Liberty is wonderful, and should still apply as the US is and should remain a nation of immigrants. That is not the same as having open borders for anyone and everyone, and it never has been.
Two things can both be wrong
When one of those two things is fascism, the other one is irrelevant.
The difference in magnitude between how wrong one objectively is and the other might be is so cosmically vast, that any comparison is moot.
You either stop fascism, by any means necessary, or you (and everyone else) suffers the consequences.
Again, there is no possible middle ground.
There is no possible “yes, but…”.
There are no other priorities.
There’s no possible bargaining, rationalisation, justification, or argument.
Any attempt at such is either irrational or malicious, or most probably both.
When faced with an existential threat, you either do everything in your power to stop it, or you suffer its consequences, and allow everyone else to suffer them.
If you are not actively opposing fascism, you are enabling it.
You are a necessary accomplice and collaborator.
You are effectively indistinguishable from any other fascist, and equally responsible for any harm they cause.
Accept your responsibility and, if you don’t like it, stop trying to justify yourself and start doing something about it.
They deported a white guy from Norway. They have no issues deporting anybody, trust me.
To be honest, they are likely to use this against everyone they consider an enemy. Didn’t vote for Trump? Well, you’re not a citizen anymore. Get in the van.
This horrific and vile, this is why I wish we could’ve gotten a different outcome with the election. More horrible news to add onto an ever-growing pile of shit. I wish my mom would’ve chosen to divorce my dad and took us to Germany…Fleeing this rotting nation would’ve been a boon!
But we saved Gaza by not electing Kamala. Didn’t we? The internet told me so.
“Why did Kamala/Biden/The Democratic Party do this to us?” - so much of the dialogue, even fucking now.
Kamala’s only public address since gleefully handing power to the fascist party has been to demand the release of idf soldiers held by hamas lmao
Gleeful? SMH, what do you expect
herBiden to do? Latch onto the resolute desk until the secret service pull him away kicking and screaming? If you don’t believe in peaceful transition, you’re as bad as Jan 6ers.This is ironic right lmao
That you compartmentalize people calling you out as “must be ironic” is telling.
Brother if you think that was a call-out you are hilariously pathetic
I asked if it was ironic because it was so braindead I assumed you were making a joke, the fact you typed that out in all seriousness is sad.
And now we see the attacks. Also telling.
Wowzers, she’s more of a shitlib than I thought, gawd dayum.
The UK and Australia have been infringing upon trans rights and free speech recently. Makes me think this might be a return to the Western world’s roots. Hopefully, Ireland will be left alone for once, I can move there, and become an alcoholic.
Yes, UK and Aussie Terfs have been trying to disenfranchise transmen and women for a long while, unfortunately J. K. Rowling gave them a nasty opening to make their cruel work stick. I do hope for a revolution against these egregious acts, as American ancestors fought to make the English fuck right off. Ireland will likely fall to a similar fate, as there is a rise of anti-trans rhetoric in that nation too. I don’t think many places are going to be safe in the world. Barring communities who give a shit about their fellow humans, of course!
Any idea what the process is to move to Ireland (from the States)?
No idea. Just something I kind of want to do. It’s probably easier if you have more recent Irish ancestors, speak Irish, have any connection to Ireland whatsoever. I have none of those things unfortunately. It’s just one of my top options. I’d prefer a place where most people speak English as a first language because languages are hard, and I only speak that and abysmal German. Good luck with getting there!
Brb, downloading Duolingo just in case.
