• BlueFootedPetey@sh.itjust.works
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    No one person has ever invented a genre of music. Dont get me wrong, I won’t argue against calling him the grandad of metal or whatever it is, but he INVENTED heavey metal? Fucking insane take.

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      King Crimson’s ‘21st century schizoid man’ came out in '69, after the formation of black Sabbath but before their first album was released, and I think it has a decent claim to being a ‘metal’ song. There was definitely a vibe for that kind of musical experimentation around that time, although Black Sabbath can claim to be more defining of what ‘metal’ was.

      Anyway yeah, agreed.

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        After making that comment, I went and compared first album dates with other bands I thought came out at a similar time, and sabbath was 5 or 10 yrs ahead of them. And Ive no idea when Earth got started. But yea King Crimson and some hippy rock who were getting a little heavier where the only big names I saw listed as metal in 1970.

        I stand by he didnt invent it singlehandly, but dam if anyone else could contend for title of Grandfather of metal. I made it to a few ozzfeasts in the late 90s early 00s, great time. He fucking rocked.

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        You can waste all sorts of time on the net arguing with people about who started what genres. Then you start getting into terms like proto-metal, etc.

        No personal issue with your choice because it’s a fucking awesome song, but if wanted to be one of those assholes I’d say it’s heavy prog rock, in the pool of music metal would later draw from. That said, I’m no musicologist, and somewhere right now there’s someone in a black t-shirt with a very cool but difficult to read band name on it reading this, aghast.

        I think we can all agree that Black Sabbath is a cornerstone in what metal generally (and specifically sludge, stoner metal, etc.) developed into.

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          If that song doesn’t count, then I think you really do have to hand it to Black Sabbath as the defining progenitor of the genre. Even if it does, it was an impressive exploratory foray; Black Sabbath set up camp.

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            Stupid thought but BS’s first two albums both came out within like 14 months of that song. Perhaps it was the kernel that got their sound together. I wonder if there are any recordings of Sabbath from before the release of that song…

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        Tbf there are quite a few magnificent MAGMA albums out there. Certainly not as influental as the first four or five Sabbath albums, but on the progressive/psychedelic department, pretty damn good stuff.

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    He’s like the only major rock star from the 60s-80s period I can think of who I haven’t heard about sexually harassing or assaulting someone at some point

    e; I stand corrected

    The couple used to physically fight regularly and, according to Osbourne, they would “beat the shit out of each other.” She has described herself as “a beaten woman” when she was at the hands of husband Ozzy where he once knocked out her front teeth. She once retaliated by throwing a full bottle of scotch at his head.

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      I think he was assaulted as a youth so he knew the damage and trauma that can cause. I doubt he would wish those experiences on anyone.

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      The thing with ozzy is that all his demons were very firmly in his past and he owned up and fixed it for the most part. He used to be a drug addled asshole but he didn’t remain so

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      Lemmy, Eddie Van Halen, Rob Halford, Ronnie James Dio off the top of my head.

      Edit: Oh and Bruce Dickinson as far as I know has also always been a standup guy.

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        Ok, you’re officially right, as in he did not pee on the actual Alamo… he peed on the Alamo Cenotaph Monument, which is the monument to honor those who fell in the battle. I’m not sure that’s any better, and I can understand why the Texans were upset by it.

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          That whole war was a setup to take land from Mexico. We do not need to remember it with fondness any better than Vietnam or Iraq.

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          It’s definitely not better, and, it’s right there in full view of every damn thing and person who would be at the Alamo. But it wasn’t the Alamo. Certainly an important detail that’s been…not remembered…over time.