Would the economy collapse or thrive? Would there be countries happy to accept the deportees? How would they even deport so many people?
Curious about your thoughts on the hypothetical.
Immediate collapse. No one would take the deportees long term. There would be a huge swell in support for the deported people, but very rapidly other countries would shut their borders. The only way to realistically deport that many people is to get them to self deport by intimidating them.
I’m not so sure this question is hypothetical anymore.
Truth is, if you’re not descended from the original colonists, every African American has lineage in the US farther back.
“White” in America is actually a moving goalpost that has been moving since literally the founding of the colonies. “Whites” at the founding of America were Anglo Saxons literally defined as being “English”, who are descended from Germans who subjugated the natives of the British isles (NOT THE IRISH, NOR THE SCOTS). “Whites” today now comprise literally every fair skinned ethnic background that isn’t east Asian. I shit you not, I think Hispanics who are fair skinned will be the next group subsumed into the white category, followed by fair skinned East Asians. Based on the American definition of white, I, darker than some light skinned African Americans, am white. Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.
Hispanic people were the “white people” where I grew up. It’s not really a racial category, there are black Hispanic people, white Hispanic people, here it just means your family came from some Spanish speaking place. So the rich Cubans who came here were absolutely the “white people” of my youth. And historically, it’s those Spanish Conquistadores who put the Hispanic into the Americas in the first place.
Oh absolutely. Latin America is super diverse; I just think at some point Hispanic whites won’t be categorized separately in the USA. At the moment, demographic information asks if you’re Hispanic or not as a separate question. It’s an amount of bending over backwards that’s crazy to me.
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Middle Easterners are legally considered white because, I shit you not, the Supreme Court in the early 20th century considered Jesus to be white by definition, and since Jesus was middle eastern, middle easterners must also be considered “white”.
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It’s going to be fun seeing the administration trying to come up with a legal definition of white and hearing the outcry of MAGAists who suddenly discover they aren’t “white”.
It would be literally impossible to pull off.
Trying to deport nearly half the population of the US would require it to be voluntary, and that isn’t going to happen. The sectors that would enforce it already include a lot of non-whites who are complicit because they personally are not being deported. People, especially the non-whites whose families have been in the US from before the US acquired their land from Mexico, would absolutely resist. The non-white population is oppressed, sure, but not to the extent of non-white populations in other colonial locations where a few whites are able to enforce racist laws through violence.
If attempted at the federal level it would implode immediately as multiple states would violently resist due to scale.
Would the economy collapse or thrive?
No. Pure terror forever. If the US continues down this road, nothing but violence, death, starvation and terror until it is all done. No “US.” Fire. Death.
Trump would go because he is orange
Economic meltdown, most of the population has no one that would take them so they will end up either in camps in failed/failing countries or inside the US itself.
Also getting the white population to agree to do it would be a big lift. The majority would passively oppose and a minority would go full on underground railroad/insurgency.
Only a minority would be totally on board.
Only a minority would be totally on board.
If by minority you mean <50%, then yes. But given how many people voted for Trump, the percentage could be substantially higher than 20%.
Not every trump voter is 100% in board with his policies.
A shocking amount of people are just floating through life on Vibes. They don’t know why they do things, it just feels like they should. This applies right up to the ballot box.
The same vibes can lead to feeling on board with mass deportation.
Sure they can, until their cousins, spouses, and neighbors start disappearing, their coworkers, employees, and representatives.
My city has plenty of racists, but even a casual racist might think twice when more than half the city is being deported.
I mean, even some democrats are casual racists.
Most racists are the type that says a racist joke and then tell you to calm down “it’s just a joke”, most aren’t the lynch mobs types.
Exactly. They don’t want a white ethnostate, and they wouldn’t appreciate the level of totalitarianism it would take to pull off that kind of ethnic cleansing.
Everybody’s a racist, it’s just to what degree. Just like everybody’s a hypocrite.
I can only hope that you are right.
First there would have to be a raging and highly politicized debate over exactly who qualifies as “white.” It turns out there isn’t a clear cut distinction there which was a problem for 18th and 19th century bigoted fucks as well.
It doesn’t seem like ICE has problems with that at the moment.
See Golgafrincham
First they came for the telephone sanitisers…
There are more guns than people in the US, and contrary to belief, they’re not all owned by the magagotts…
What I find most disturbing about the Republican party is how quickly they shift from “small government is good” to “we need more government so we can enact our brand of authoritarianism! But those guys over there? They’re the big government ones!”
Which is nuts, because you can’t have an authoritarian government without a government large enough to enforce said authority!
I’m at the point where I am leaning more and more into the “just burn it all down and start over” side of things.
That’s been my position for about a decade. Citizens United ended any hope I had that anything would turn us off this path. Corpo fascism has been coming for a long time.
The Constitution is decent but lets rewrite it and leave out all of the glaring oversights/loopholes that cause the government to function by virtue of handshakes, bribes and back room deals.
I’m at the point where I am leaning more and more into the “just burn it all down and start over” side of things.
FPTP is probably the biggest problem, IMO. If there were proportional representation in the senate and house of representatives with ranked choice voting, some instant run-off for single-winner elections, the US would probably look very different. Of course things like restricting presidential powers, and disconnecting the judiciary from political influence would do something too, but the aforementioned things would probably do more.
Thing is, the Senate wasn’t supposed to be elected by the people as that’s the states’ reps. The people’s reps are the House.
Changing that screwed things up, too. It was originally set up so that smaller states couldn’t have their wishes completely drowned out by the more populous ones.
We also have lost sight of the fact that the president wasn’t supposed to be elected by the people, but by their representation, similar to how a prime minister works in many Euro nations.
The nation was designed to be controlled bottom up, with the most control being the people themselves, then their states, and finally the feds, who while they had the overall lead, only had a few enumerated powers, and EVERYTHING else was to be by the state or lower level. Hell, that’s the entire point of the 10th.
But we’ve corrupted the entire thing.
The current US government would send them to the worst place imaginable…
Like, say Canada would take them under asylum, but for 100k a person we could send them to a death camp in El Salvador…
Guess which trump would pick?
And like someone else said, it would grind the US to a halt.
As someone who’s Chinese American, I’ll have to find a new country. I mean… winnie the pooh isn’t gonna want me back, I don’t even have citizenship in PRC anymore. I mean, I highly doubt they want 5 million westernized people back so quickly.
The first choice I would try is go to Canada, they have a decent ethnic Chinese population and they are English Speaking, so I’ll probably fit right in. But IDK if they’ll be accepting refugees, since the rest of the US non-whites are also expelled abd many would probably go for Canada. Next option is Australia. Then Singapore. Then maybe Taiwan. Wait actually nvm, China is gonna invade Taiwan since the US would have collapsed. EU could also be another option to asylum.
I honesly don’t know where the Black American population is gonna go. I mean, the continent of Africa has been divided so much by European colonialization, that its very hard to track back to an ancestry origin.
Hispanic/Latino Americans would probably go to Spanish speaking South American countries or Mexico.
Also the world could be at risk, since the US would end up as a war zone… Imagine the KKK or other neo-nazi groups gaining access to a nuclear silo…
I think the world is just gonna end up covered in mushroom clouds after a nuke gets lanuched into Russia or China because nazis want racial purification.
So TLDR: One misplaces nuke in the hands of white supremaciat groups and it escalates into Nuclear WW3.
The EU is already doing its best to attract scientists from the US, so if you’re educated, you might have good chances, especially if you’re willing to learn a new language. Probably you could get your family into the EU too.
I honesly don’t know where the Black American population is gonna go. I mean, the continent of Africa has been divided so much by European colonialization, that its very hard to track back to an ancestry origin.
This is one thing I’m kinda hopeful about actually. The continent is really large and spreading out 100 million people across it could work out quite well. Black culture is already pretty popular in parts of Africa, and Black women in the US are the biggest group of people getting degrees, if I’m not mistaken. It could be massive brain drain from the US to the advantage of African countries.
Also the world could be at risk, since the US would end up as a war zone… Imagine the KKK or other neo-nazi groups gaining access to a nuclear silo…
Indeed. I do wonder how quickly they’d go from “we’re the best, we don’t need y’all” to “alright, give us everything you got!”.
I wonder how quickly the US would lose the technical know-how to maintain nuclear missiles in that scenario.
We are talking about 128million non White Americans and that is not including white Latinos. Just to put it into context the Holocaust killed 6million Jews, the Partition of India moved 12-20million people and created a lot of suffering doing so and somewhat similar numbers in displaced people in Europe after WW2(moving borders and the like). Those are some of the darkest chapters of human history and this would be an order of magnitude large then those.
First of all, doing that would create a massive reaction. We are talking 38% of the US population being deported, so a civil war is very much an option.
The honest answer is that a lot of Americans are very well educated and rather rich. So if they would be allowed to leave, then they would be welcomed by other countries. However we are talking about numbers here, which would compeletly change the housing and job markets here. The locals will not like that and close their countries off. Still a good number would make it. At that point the US has two options: Wage a war to take some land for them or kill them. Taking land would lead to hatred of the Americans including the deported. We are also talking about a massive country here and probably a lot of death. Obviously killing everybody would be even worse. There is also the option of pushing them into say Alaska and make that independent. However that is unlikely.
The US economy would be absolutly destroyed by this. If you deport them quickly, it would lead to shortages. Most certainly shortage of workers, which would indeed push up wages. Housing would end up being cheap and people would move to the best cities of the country. On the international stage the US would be widely hated and probably be hit with sanctions(they deport a lot of people and that causes huge problems for other countries). So long term it might actually be good for white workers. However the rich would hate it, due to it destroying their cheap workforce. Short term the US would have massive shortages and suffer a lot.
Even just deporting a larger part of the non-white population would cause a lot of problems.
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Italians too? /j
An implosion.
Bring it on.
