• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Yeah, plenty of people have misconception that it was just the Taliban who the US funded. The US funded everyone who were against USSR. The mujahideen was a catch-all term of Afghans who fought against the Soviets.

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      Even in Russia people often don’t know this.

      They also don’t know that despite catch-alls and such, usually the word (I know it’s pretty generic in Arabic) was used for a leftist-Islamist hybrid typical for that time and not typical now (the Islamic Republic of Iran has some remnants of that ideology). And before that there was a socialist dictatorship. And before it a British-aligned monarchy.

      Yet people trained by USSR for police and military work are still employed by Taliban in positions requiring qualifications, or so I’ve been recently told. Will be interesting to see what happens when they get too old. Will such new states disassemble into tribal zones or will they manage to create their own institutions at least for training people capable of maintaining a basic military organization.

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      4 days ago

      Was it too difficult for you to read the meme? Does it need to be rephrased in simpler terms for you to understand?

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          I can’t say for sure but I think you’ve mistaken me for someone else.

          For… pointing out that your comment is in direct contradiction to the fact stated in the meme, the only thing stated by the meme, the purpose of the meme, which is hard to miss without failing to read the meme entirely?

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              I wonder if there’s a term for these kind of ‘unintended’ consequences to reckless foreign subterfuge

              Unless your implication is that there was ‘unintended’ consequences by the reckless foreign subterfuge of Pakistan - which would be deeply questionable, considering that the Taliban did and has offered them since nearly all their desired policy goals from supporting it.

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                Well that wouldn’t make any sense at all - blowback isn’t a description of something you wanted to have happen that you didn’t expect, it’s a description of something you didn’t want to happen that you didn’t expect

                Like the militant extremists you supported fracturing into new adversarial militants that fuck your shit up later.

                • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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                  Well that wouldn’t make any sense at all - blowback isn’t a description of something you wanted to have happen that you didn’t expect, it’s a description of something you didn’t want to happen that you didn’t expect

                  Yes, which is why it would be a ridiculous term to apply here.

                  Like the militant extremists you supported fracturing into new adversarial militants that fuck your shit up later.

                  Again, where did this happen? And to whom? And what relevance does it have to the meme?

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          … it literally isn’t. The Taliban wasn’t a ‘splinter group’ of the Mujahedeen government, it was a largely Pakistani-funded and supported initiative whose even most embryonic form post-dates the entire Soviet-Afghan War in creating a paramilitary with the express purpose of overthrowing the previous Mujahedeen government (a goal in which it succeeded).

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    That’s not quite the case. The mujahideen did splinter and civil war broke out, then the Taliban arose from the US+Pakistani training program from the Cold War with Saudi funding and steamrolled the factions taking over.