• JustKeepStretching@lemmy.world
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        The other side tried to violently overthrow an election, is engaging in record fraud and government abuse, is led by a rapist who’s hiding the Epstein files, wants to overturn all civil rights achievements and destroy all workers rights, they illegally toppled a foreign government and are now stealing billions from Venezuela’s oil sales, and they are currently trying to rig US elections.

        They tried to overturn birthright citizenship, want to undo marriage equality, have sent armed thugs to harass democrat cities, they’ve called anti fascists and Democratic socialists dangerous violent leftists, and their dumbass tariffs and Iran war have essentially caused a voluntary global recession while oil and defense make record profits.

        I take your point but one side is still astronomically worse

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          The other side tried

          And the first side just sat around with thumbs up assholes, because they hate Palestinians and Transgender folks more than fascists.

          one side is still astronomically worse

          John Fetterman has far more in common with Ted Cruz than nearly anyone who voted for either of them.

          There’s two sides, alright. But these people aren’t on yours.

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          The “otherside” is literally enabling everything you are saying here. You are being played, there aren’t two sides, there are zero for you.

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        Harder and harder to say “Vote Blue No Matter Who” with that boot up your throat.

        Obviously we’re way past “Vote Blue no matter who” now. That effort was the last ditch attempt to stop fascists from taking power. If it had worked, it might have been possible to enact safeguards to protect the democratic institutions of the Constitution. Or might not, as it was probably already too late. But it was the last chance we had to prevent the fascist regime and try to salvage anything.

        Obviously it failed, and fascists/grifters/looters/christian nationalists/oligarchs now have complete control of the government. They’ll do anything to hold onto that power. We’ll know for sure in November, but working within the democratic election system to change who’s in power is basically futile at this point.

        So yeah, it’s nice to see that people have finally started supporting progressive candidates in many states and a lot of them are winning their primaries–but sadly it’s too late for that now. It’s what needed to have been done well before now, starting during Dump 1.0 at the latest, which was the final wake up call. But not enough people gave a shit until it was too late, and most still don’t.

    • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zip
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      Do we seriously have to insinuate that people are Nazis every half a second? Could we just like, instead, not do that? Here on the threadiverse?

      The point you’re trying to make is frankly weaker for it.

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        The truth is, their point is made weaker for using a far-right trash source with low credibility. Why they used that specific source should raise serious eyebrows.

        In fairness, I simply asked a question; how they responded reveals so much more. Though if you’re regurgitating the most fringe fucking garbage right-wing media points that just so happens to have wedge-drive the left, yes, I think that raises some red flags.

        I will continue to call such people out, and if they instead turned around and went, “Hey yeah you’re right, this source is dogshit and Snopes couldn’t even verify what was said in the video, so sorry for spreading this bullshit nazi trash” I’d say no harm no foul.

        Edit: By the way, I never said they were center-right; I was citing MBFC. Please, I encourage one to read more carefully. Though anyone with half a brain knows by the standards of Overton Window, that means far-right in US politics. If you disagree, then congratulations, you’re enabling fascism or should review the rightward trajectory of the Overton Window.

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          My brother in Christ you already described it as being center-right and now you’re exaggerating that to try and make your point more sailient

          I agree that its an irreputable source and that the quality of the source should always be pointed out. But if you seriously think using a less than reputable source on a link aggregator site when it confirms their biases makes someone a Nazi I’m pretty damn confident your bar is set cartoonishly low.

          I don’t care whether you think they have credibility, you can make your case that they don’t; calling anyone and everyone a Nazi still damages yours. Your point would be stronger sans that assertion.

          I didn’t downvote you, but I think you can see lots of others did-- I guarantee you’d be more well received if you left out the heinous personal attacks without adequate basis and just stuck to your very strong argument that the source is uncredible and not something we should trust blindly.

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            Brother in Christ, I didn’t down-vote you, but also, I don’t give a shit enough about your opinion anymore to care to read the rest of it. Sorry. Just being honest! I know the sort of tankies and righties alike on here and take zero stock in their down-votes lol. In fact, sometimes I see that is a net-positive :)

            • Cris_Citrus (he/him <3)@piefed.zip
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              I didn’t downvote you

              Lmao

              Youre right, everyone who disagrees with you is a tankie or a right-winger (we have so many of those here). You should just never engage with critique in any form because youre obviously always right, and anyone who disagrees must either be stupid or arguing in bad faith

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                Oh oops. Let me correct the misclick. Tell you what. I’ll even upvote you, since you clearly care so much!

                Also, thanks for confirming you’re fucking weird lol.

                Can you see what I tagged you, too? ;)

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                  If you downvote someone at the same time as you reply and theres only one downvote, deep at the bottom of a thread, it makes it really obvious it was you, even if activitypub didn’t publish votes publicly

                  Also, thanks for confirming you’re fucking weird lol.

                  Says the person crashing out on the fediverse and blatantly arguing in bad faith without knowing the activity pub standard makes all votes public, so its really easy to show you’re lying lol

                  Yes yes, I’m sure you think I’m a Nazi now too, we all know anyone you disagree with is, but for the record, no. Tagging users is private, at least to my understanding, though I don’t have a lot of experience with the feature- I’m not sure if the mobile client I use supports it

                  Have a nice day

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      If you read that whole page you linked to you would see they haven’t produced fake news so much as they consistently misrepresent facts to suit a conservative narrative.

      So arguing it could be AI means you failed to actually read their fucking reasoning for the low credibility and bias claims. None of it had to do with facts not being true, but rather presenting those true facts within a conservative narrative. Whitmer is mentioned several times, and in each case it was rooted in real facts but presented with a conservative slant.

      Screaming “fake news” is unhelpful.