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      Yeah, people didn’t. They didn’t give a shit about the “collective” farms. They worked because they were forced to and fucked it up for everyone because there was no difference between giving it your all and slacking off. Hundreds of microfarms worked better than one large collective one because they didn’t think it was “ours” they thought it was “nobodys”.

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        The same is true for capitalism too, though.

        If you work in your own little company or if you are self-employed, then the “mission” of your work might be important to you and a source of motivation.

        But if you work in a huge corporation, hardly anything you do actually matters. If don’t perform at 100% and instead slack off, there are other people doing the same work. And if everyone slacks off, then they just hire more people. And even if the whole department underperforms, there are other departments that rake in the money.

        And whether the company thrives or goes under, your input as a lowly grunt wouldn’t have made a difference anyway. Even as a mid-level manager your input wouldn’t have made a difference.

        Years of my work at my job can be wiped out with one email from the CEO.

        Literally the only difference between capitalism and communism when it comes to that is whether the CEO wipes out my work or the state.

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          And yet people work in huge corporations and those are succeeding fine. Yet the collective farms that I mention led to famines and underperformed severely.

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            Huge corporations also underperform compared to smaller startups.

            If a small startup wants to roll out some new thing they just get to the work. If a corporation does the same thing it first takes a year of preparation and internal politics.

            Remember the old anecdote about how long it takes to order an empty cardboard box at IBM? That one was an extreme example, but the concept persists.

            We had a project, created by two people over half a year. The corporate parent liked it and wanted to expand the product to all the country division. So they planned for a year, then assembled 8 teams with a total of 50 people to copy that project with a planned development time of 3 years. They overran the deadline by 2 years.

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              Cool. Yet you are ignoring the very tiny fact that collective farms started famines. They didn’t “just underperform”.