• mushroommunk@lemmy.todayEnglish
    125·
    5 天前

    The intent of the post, sure. Women and men are equally capable of anything.

    But absolutely nobody creating sewing patterns is sitting down and going “alright the integral of e to the x dx is…” Or remembering their laplace transformations.

    • Melobol@lemmy.mlEnglish
      41·
      5 天前

      I love over-complicating things… but Calculus in a sewing pattern sounds really strange.
      Unless… it is like for a space suit where you need to be accurate? Or making something for a form fitting hard surface?

      • DeadDigger@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        3 天前

        Well there is a lot of calculus involved in making patterns like body ratios or wool to knot ratios if you put knitting into sewing.

      • Fondots@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 天前

        Unless… it is like for a space suit

        Fun fact, the space suits used in the Apollo program were made by Playtex

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        English
        3·
        4 天前

        I imagine people are using calculus to analyze knitting patterns and stuff. Not the knitters themselves, but mathematicians who are studying knots or whatever

    • pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      19·
      5 天前

      I’m not saying I couldn’t see cases where I would seriously consider using calculus in a sewing pattern, but it’s really not used in sewing pattern creation basically ever unless someone already knows it and has a very specific use case. I suspect the OP meant “calculations” or something similar and mis-typed.

      Source: I still remember a fair amount of calculus and I sew

    • Seleni@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      5 天前

      Of course they don’t mean women pull out a calculator, a notebook, and start doing calculations, anymore than when a person throws a ball at a target they pull out some graph paper and start calculating parabolic arcs and all that shit. They’re saying we do it instinctively, and if we’re good at doing it instinctively then we can do it intellectually.

    • Quibblekrust@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      5·
      4 天前

      Do you think “mental calculus” means people are doing derivatives in their heads?

      It doesn’t. It’s also not what was meant by the author of this post when they used the word.

  • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    5 天前
    1. as the title indicates, women have been there since the dawn of computing
    2. computer referred to a person that did calculations, and it was usually a woman.
    3. is sitting on your ass on a comfortable chair in front of a computer instead of running around caving in skulls really masculine or feminine?
    • ryannathans@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      5 天前
      1. same for AI but I’m sure in 50 years we’ll see books and articles talk about how barely any women used or had access to AI, much in the same way people claim historically woman couldn’t access banking services
  • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    40·
    5 天前

    The origins of computer programming are also intertwined with textiles, as the first punch card programs emerged as part of weaving in the early 1800s (Jacquard looms).

    Also interesting: trans people in addition to cis women are historically associated with textile production in many cultures. Trans programmer socks = modern day trans weaver.

  • Akasazh@lemmy.worldEnglish
    16·
    4 天前

    Lovelace

    On the subject of lace, making it is very intricate and quite mathematical too

  • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
    16·
    4 天前

    In my town the fact girls were worse than boys at maths was addressed, education of girls was improved

    Now girls are better than boys at maths and no one seems to care

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    13·
    4 天前

    Hooray for the Lady who might have written the first algorithm! She needs more attention.

    Other: Charles Babbage (sp?) and the Analytic Engine: perhaps our first real computer. Imagine a steampunk world where all our devices were powered by huge mechanical chunks and chonks.

    I saw a video of a constructed Analytical Engine (they couldn’t manufacture the parts to the specs required in Babbage’s time) donated to a Computer History museum by an early Microsoft exec. Didn’t find it on a quick search, but it’s a huge thing driven by a physical crank.

    • call_me_xale@lemmy.zipEnglish
      6·
      4 天前

      This woman wrote computer programs while computers were still almost purely theoretical. Fucking mind-blowing.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        3·
        4 天前

        I can’t imagine a more advanced mind. I mean, maybe Einstein, but we have proof of her discoveries and they’re not at all abstract in the contemporary world! (I mean, they kinda are, but you get what I mean.)

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    4 天前

    honestly, drawing patterns only uses “calculus” and “trig” because those are the arbitrary names given to the thought processes that blend the proper melding of mind to motion

  • applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    17·
    5 天前

    whats really funny to me is people make this claim, but any good study that looks for differences finds none or that women are very slightly better at math and spatial reasoning

    • Azzu@leminal.spaceEnglish
      1·
      5 天前

      Wait you’re telling me that women are better? So that differences between the sexes exist?

      • sbeak@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        2·
        4 天前

        No, the point is that there isn’t, and experiments that do show a slight difference are probably due to experimental error, biases, sampling differences, etc.

        Simply being either a man or woman does not make you better than another.

        • Azzu@leminal.spaceEnglish
          1·
          3 天前

          That is just wrong though. There have been plenty of reputable studies with good methodology that do show differences between the sexes at certain tasks.

          That does not mean that one or the other is better in general, it means women and men complement each other.

          It also doesn’t mean that these innate advantages/disadvantages at certain tasks are significant enough so they are impossible to overcome, there are plenty of men good at communicating or whatever, even though women are generally slightly better at it, and so on.

          • sbeak@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            2·
            3 天前

            Yes, because of hormone shenanigans, in some physical tasks, men tend to do slightly better than women. But as you said, these differences do not mean that men are inherently “better” than women. Additionally, the discussion was around mathematics and reasoning skills, in which there isn’t too much of a difference between men and women.

            That does not mean that one or the other is better in general, it means women and men complement each other.

            This reads like you believe that “women are dependent on men” and that you are against same-sex relationships. I hope that’s not your intention.

  • wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    8·
    5 天前

    Whenever I hear someone slopping that “adage” out, I silently note that they’ve no idea how many of the Apollo astronauts were able to return to Earth safely. (It rhymes with “female mathematicians”, btw.)

  • Zerush@lemmy.mlEnglish
    8·
    5 天前

    Remember me to

    A lot of math needed, more as for the pattern, to make clothes to fit on an irregular body

    First computers are based on the input of sewing machines

    • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      4 天前

      It goes on to say “One typical study from 1989 found that 32% of college women failed the test, compared to 15% of college men.” A third of girls who made it into college couldn’t do it.

    • HereIAm@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      4 天前

      I assume for the college level students it’s who can mark the level of the water most accurately? I certainly hope all of them would at least mark the water line horizontal to the ground

      • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
        2·
        4 天前

        Wikipedia suggests a common failure is to not change the angle of the water surface, leaving it parallel to the base of the tube rather than to gravity