Date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, with government using increasingly sophisticated tools to censor its discussion
There is no official death toll but activists believe hundreds, possibly thousands, were killed by China’s People’s Liberation Army in the streets around Tiananmen Square, Beijing’s central plaza, on 4 June 1989.
The date of 4 June remains one of China’s strictest taboos, and the Chinese government employs extensive and increasingly sophisticated resources to censor any discussion or acknowledgment of it inside China. Internet censors scrub even the most obscure references to the date from online spaces, and activists in China are often put under increased surveillance or sent on enforced “holidays” away from Beijing.
New research from human rights workers has found that the sensitive date also sees heightened transnational repression of Chinese government critics overseas by the government and its proxies.
Never forget says country engaged in rewriting its own history.
Marxist ideology is fragile house of cards, where each card is a lie. Without fallacies, misinformation, and outright lies, Marxism will collapse in on itself. It’s an ideology that cannot be defend on it’s own merits which is why its brainless supports will cling on to any fallacy to distract them for the reality.
This is just my personal experience:
~I was talking to a few young Chinese. They were after born after the massacre happened.~
“Why are Hong Kong people are so full of themselves and rebellious? They think they are better? (Derogatory comments…”, cheating among themselves, happily.
I couldn’t help and interrupted, “Some young promising Hong Kong students were murdered, beaten and kidnapped under the mainland China. You can’t blame them for not being defensive.”
Immediately they resorted to their memorised response, “Do you have any resources to back up what you said? The official death count was zero.”
Of course there was no “official” news resources. China suppresses the news media.
"It is the same as Tiananmen massacre. You won’t find any “official resources " but everyone knows people were killed.”
Another one retorted, “The official number is zero. What official resources you have to backup your claim?”
It was useless to talk anymore at that moment. I left. My encounter probably would be on their “report.”
I find it pretty rare to meet Chinese people like that. Most of the ones I meet know that stuff happened isn’t that the government covered it up but they don’t think that the government covering things up is all that unusual or newsworthy.
Was genuinely thinking of walking in front of Trump’s military parade.
Meanwhile Oklahoma telling kids the 2020 election was rigged under state law.
Tankies and whataboutism, name a more iconic duo (pro tip: you can’t)
You say whataboutism, I say hypocrisy.
Whataboutism is literally the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy. It’s a fallacy because the appeal is done in place of a proper argument that addresses the original issue. The very purpose of this fallacy is to distract from the original issue and to dismiss criticism without ever addressing it by bringing up something irrelevant to the topic at hand and accusing others of hypocrisy.
I say, why not both?
whataboutism
How to spot a shill for state propaganda.
Ah yes, the state is paying me to call out idiots on Lemmy for using fallicious argumentation and inconsistent logic. Which state is paying me? Who knows, but that’s the fun of making up random baseless accusations when you have nothing of value to provide.
Tankies talking about Tiananmen Square without whataboutism:
Challenge Level = IMPOSSIBLE
Let’s not forget Faris Odeh
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faris_Odeh
A picture of Odeh standing alone in front of a tank, with a stone in his hand and arm bent back to throw it, was taken by a photojournalist from the Associated Press on 29 October 2000. Ten days later, on 8 November, Odeh was again throwing stones at Karni when he was shot in the neck by an Israeli soldier.
Why would any kid throw stones at armed soldiers? Where were his parents?
Murdered by Israelis one would assume.
And your assumption is wrong. If you read the article, you’ll see that his parents were alive and well at the time, and so were his 8 other siblings. Apparently this kid developed a habit of doing dangerous stunts like this, and father used to severely beat him many times as a way to deter him from doing more stunts in the future. Shockingly, physical abuse didn’t work, and he ended up being killed by doing another dangerous stunt in the future.
So why did you ask a question you know the answer to?
It was a rhetorical question
Killed by Israeli.
Actually if you read the article, you would see that this is in fact false, but that won’t stop you from spreading misinformation
Well u did not pay attention to story and see how powerful the picture is. So to make u read the wiki, I had to fill some disinformation about his parents. U fell for it. Lol
“Where are his parents”. Where are your buddy
Uhh Zionist got butt hurt. Could not come up with something?
Definitely smarter than you. Just looking at how logic works in your brain.
>spreads misinformation
>gets called out for it
>“no no it was a 4d chess move to make you look dumb, I’m full of shit I swear”
Yeah okay buddy
careful, that doesn’t fit the narrative
Not contesting there was a violent crackdown, but didn’t the video for this moment end with the tank just stopping the entire time, the briefcase guy climbing onto the tank, then getting shuffled away by fellow civilians?
Everyday we see way worse shit happening on the streets of the US. Somehow the crackdown back then on anti-communist academics is an enshrined moment, but people on our streets getting arrested, detained, or killed is just business as usual.
And we also act like our country doesn’t call academics “indoctrinated”, beat the living crap out of both students and academics, and doesn’t want to kill them. Amazing.
You’re actually delusional if you think anything like the Tiananmen square massacre is happening in the US today.
Everyday we see way worse shit happening on the streets of the US. Somehow the crackdown back then on anti-communist academics is an enshrined moment, but people on our streets getting arrested, detained, or killed is just business as usual.
If it’s condensed down to a day then it’s easy to bleat about it since you can point to a single day “where it all happened”. If you spread out the injustice, like instituting unjust laws bill-by-bill, increasing police funding, and ramping up media rhetoric on how crime is out of control and that we need politicians who are “tough on crime” then you get something like the most imprisoned population on Earth, but there isn’t a single focal point to point at, instead multiple contributing factors, so it doesn’t stick out as much.
Agreed, I was hoping to bring attention to the fact that beyond a short attention span, you’d see comparable if not exceeding levels of historic violence
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They weren’t “fellow civillians”.
Those “fellow civillians” weren’t civilians, they were secret police. So I don’t know what good does the video do.
Have you tried actually confirming that?
Have you tried not being a tankie and thinking for a second, or actually doing your own research?
That was a Socratic question. You clearly have not because you’re parroting unconfirmed theories from Internet forums. Perhaps if you had “done your own research”, you wouldn’t be sounding like such a moron
Uh huh, sure mr tankie, I sound like a moron. Get blocked.
Maybe I’ll take Taiwan’s word on this one…
Whatever the US says, you just know it’s posturing hypocritical bullshit
You could pick so many more things to criticize China for especially from its past, verifiable events, yet the west always picks Tiananmen Square, making sure to pick the image of the guy standing in front of the tank, but somehow always forgets to show the video of the guy climbing on top of the tank, asking soldiers to turn around to where the protesters are, and somehow forget mentioning that literally half the casualties were soldiers that were set ablaze. Even diplomatic cables at the time either leaked or declassified prove that.
The Tiananmen square massacre is a verified event. We literally have videos and pictures documenting the entire massacre. How much of an idiot do you have to be to believe low level Chinese propaganda about this being fake or a good thing?
So where are said videos of the massacre happening
I’ve seen images and footage put out by journalists. I’m just not bothered to re-locate them for the sake of a tankie.
Because they don’t exist. China is winning and you’re just a sore loser
In his dreams, along with destroying the three gorges dam and not seeing the irony in pretending to care about civilians.
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Love the propaganda around this. Its very dramatic and all. But here in the west its held up as some big thing. The rest of the video never gets played.
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Especially this video where the ‘students’ hijacked a tank and fired it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
Demonstrators attacked troops with poles, rocks, and molotov cocktails; Jeff Widener reported witnessing rioters setting fire to military vehicles and beating the soldiers inside them to death.[178] On one avenue in western Beijing, anti-government protestors torched a military convoy of more than 100 trucks and armored vehicles.[179] They also hijacked an armored personnel carrier, taking it on a joy ride. These scenes were captured on camera and broadcast by Chinese state television.[180]
Good old peaceful demonstration strikes again. Luckily those students were not doing anything violent such as holding up a Palestine flag. Then the US media would tell us how violence against them is fully justified
Nice use of selective quoting, the situation had already escalated at that point. From your source, one paragraph before yours:
The advance of the army was again halted by another blockade at Muxidi, about 5 km west of the square. After protesters repelled an attempt by an anti-riot brigade to storm the bridge, regular troops advanced on the crowd and turned their weapons on them. Soldiers alternated between shooting into the air and firing directly at protesters. Soldiers raked apartment buildings with gunfire, and some people inside or on their balconies were shot.
And, from the beginning of the section:
At 9:30 p.m, this army encountered a blockade set up by protesters at Gongzhufen in Haidian District, and made an attempt to break through. Troops armed with anti-riot gear clashed with the protesters and began firing rubber bullets and tear gas, while the protesters in return threw rocks and soda bottles at them. Other troops fired warning shots into the air, which was ineffective.
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My argument was related to the APC. Which is factually true.
Your quote however is very selective.
On the evening of 2 June, an accident occurred in which a PAP jeep ran onto a sidewalk, killing three civilian pedestrians and injuring a fourth. This incident sparked fear that the army and the police were trying to advance into Tiananmen Square.[159] Student leaders issued emergency orders to set up roadblocks at major intersections to prevent the entry of troops into the centre of the city.[160]
On the morning of 3 June, students and citizens intercepted and questioned a busload of plainclothed soldiers at Xinjiekou. Isolated pockets of soldiers were similarly surrounded and interrogated.[161][56]
The soldiers were beaten by the crowd, as were Beijing security personnel who attempted to aid the soldiers. Some of the soldiers were kidnapped when they attempted to head for the hospital.[160] Several other buses carrying weapons, gear, and supplies were intercepted and boarded around Tiananmen.[160]
At 1 pm, a crowd intercepted one of these buses at Liubukou, and several men raised military helmets on bayonets to show the rest of the crowd.[162] At 2:30 pm, a clash broke out between protesters and police.[163][160] The police attempted to disperse the crowd with tear gas, but demonstrators counterattacked and threw rocks, forcing them to retreat inside the Zhongnanhai compound through the west gate.
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The protesters on the square did not get shot. The Western media confirms nobody of the peaceful protesters on the square got killed.
Violent rioters who stoned and burnt police did get killed. On day4. There weer already multiple police killed on day3. Even Western media acknowledges all of what I am saying happened.
The censorship of the event also speaks a great deal about who’s fault it is.
The amazing amount of misinformation being spread here says a lot more about how insane the Western brainwashing machine is.
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in china they censor it on internet searches. thats why alot of thier netizens use proxies and anti-detect browsers.
Everyone should read this
https://archive.ph/2020.07.12-074312/https://imgur.com/a/AIIbbPs
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Gonna need a source of two there, chief.
Couple of good sources in this summary here.
Well I gave it a go, but the very first argument was a straw man, so I didn’t have the energy to filter through 30 minutes of biased, disingenuous and amateurish documentary. If you could give me some readable sources, from credible sources, that would be great. You’ve made a lot of extraordinary claims in your original comment…
Shithead lib refuses to learn. Surprising.
Cretin
.ee s are meant to be smarter than this.
“Trust me bro”
You might be enjoying your creative writing class a little too much
I think you’ve been sucking CIA propaganda cock a little too much.
>consumes nothing but propaganda
> literally make up things as you go
> people call you out on it
> everybody else is clearly brainwashed except you
Sure thing, bud
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what an elaborate fantasy.
Never forget when the CIA organised an armed color revolution which resulted into people shooting at the Chinese military. The clashes outsider of the square, not on it as the name suggests, resulted in a total of around 300 deaths.
Tiananmen has to be the dumbest propaganda pount because it is so incredibly easy to debunk for anyone who has basic access to a search machine. The CIA literally admitted they backed the riots.
The sheer hypocrisy of posting this while the American government is arming a live streamed genocide with over 60.000, likely more than 200.00p killed.
Yeah, everything bad is the CIA’s fault! A one-party dictatorship would never violently suppress dissent, and anyone saying otherwise is a paid shill!
“Students” hahaha. Nice of you to leave out that the rioters started attacking the police first and literally burned police officiers alive. The peaceful protesters at the square were not attacked.
There are actual events you can point to in which China represses their population. This is probably the dumbest one because extreme restraint was shown from the Chinese authorities.
If it was America the guy blocking the tank from leaving the square would have been run over. And you would probably be screaming fafo.
Yeah! They had it coming! The police acted with the utmost restraint when they brought tanks to a protest, and America totally would have done worse than bringing tanks to a protest and totally would have ran protestors over with said tanks!!!
Oh no he pulls out the image implying that the tank ran over a protester on the square!
But he forgets that there is a video
Of a man who blocks tanks driving away from the square… and… climbing on top of a military vehicle!!!
What do you think would happen in America to someone who climbed on top of a tank and opened the hatch? And even still, he did not get shot but simply escorted away. Amazing.
He got carried away and never saw again you fucking brainlet
Do you know who it is?
he got carried away and was never seen again
Of course we don’t know his name, he got disappeared by a dictatorship. In a free country, we would know his name and he would be a powerful symbol of dissent against the government. Instead, he was erased as a human.
Another brain washed CCP admirer from Xi’s $0.50 Army. The CCP murdered over 70 million people, who disagreed, since 1920 and the number continues to rise.
I’m surprised trump didnt try to give Taiwan away by tweet yet
Kent State says what?
