[orange, proud]
I’m willing to pay more for products MADE IN THE USA because I’m a based patriot who wants to SUPPORT REAL AMERICANS
[green, accusatory]
OK then how about supporting american workers by paying them a living wage?
[orange, dismissively shaking their hands while having a look of absolute disgust on their face]
NO
[the comic is squished into a funneling triangle shape for some reason]
A real american:
THE OG OF THE WORLD … YA’LL ARE INTRUDERS
Yeast?
Too advanced, they came later, it’s just an unforgotten Amoeba.
La di da, with your cellular walls and your organelles. Piss off, ya foreign gobshite!
All humans should be deported from planet earth as illegal invasive species, and restore this glorious planet to unicellular organisms.
Is this LUCA?
That’s not an American, that’s a Hunkpapa Sioux.
And they were not in america?
They were, but if I enter the USA as Dutchman, doesn’t undo almost 40 years of existing in Dutch culture. Or in his case, if people invade (nazis or colonists - take your pick), won’t undo the existence of your own culture.
Funny how American = European American, whereas everyone else needs a prefix in front of them.
It should be American = Native American, and everyone else should keep the prefix.
“America” was a European invention (Vespucci). The Native Americans didn’t think of it as one unified land mass.
Native American is quite proper, you’re trying to add some racism here where there is clearly not. We refer to American as anyone who lives here, not just European Americans? Where the fuck do you get your information? lol
E: He’s right, media is generally racist as they still pander to European Americans. I retract. We’re on two different entities here.
It’s a bit preachy I’ll admit, but it’s a eurocentric view I’m getting at. The news all the time says African American, Asian American bla bla, they never say European American when describing someone white. And whether or not it’s racist i’d still rather a classification be consistent.
I see, like media reports always include the race if it’s not white. You do have a point.
There is currently an active racist movement to dehumanize Americans because of a dislike of the nations own choosen name. It’s seen very noticeably with the push for “USian” here on lemmy.
Americans choose to be called Americans. The name of a country and what it wishes to be called should be respected. We all live here we all have a stake in the betterment of the land. The native peoples are just that. The natives, but they arnt the only ones who have claim to the land at this point. Even then the natives migrated here ages ago, no different than the Spanish and Europeans did.
The only difference is people have found an excuse to belittle and attack the European descendents because of current political circumstances.
The native people are mistreated and attacked by our government yes. But that does not change that for now hundreds of years there are generations of people who do give back to the land. Those who respect it, and try to better it. These people are not native to this land but have made it their home.
It does not matter your ancestors origins, for you are the ancestors to the next generation. You have the power to show respect to show love and kindness. And to make a new home. We are all foreign till we settle down.
Americans are Americans. Those who have been here for thousands or those for hundreds. The only ones who should be cast as others are those who destroy the land and it’s people ruining it for the next generation willfully.
Very good points, thanks for posting.
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Certain companies have tried this in a heads-up fashion: offer both the USA made option and one made overseas. The catch is the one made in the USA is 3x more expensive.
0% of people bought the USA-made one.
One challenge is that the lifestyle that people have come to expect is only affordable by outsourcing production to other countries for slave labour prices.
People want 7 pairs of running shoes, to own every kitchen and garage gadget possible, and to buy little items as pick-me-ups every few weeks. There would be an outcry at children picking our food for 3 cents a day or indentured servants making our clothes if it were visible, but these services are shipped far enough away that most people can just smile and enjoy their new $30 shoes without seeing the abuse. And if you tell them about it, they say they are poor too, which is the equivalent of covering your ears and screaming “la la la la la” to avoid processing it.
This is a dumb strawman.
There’s basically two consumers, plus a bunch of lies told by the Epstein class.
Consumer 1: Wants a good product produced in a way they feel good about at a fair price. This typically includes preferring both locally made and fair wage pricing, as well as not-killing-the-planet.(Non-sociopaths who are currently not afraid about their finances tomorrow, tend to fall in this category.)
Consumer 2: Just needs the lowest price possible to survive another day. (People may drift btween these two modes, based on life events.)
Cosumer 3: Epstein class rapist. Wants you to believe their crimes are somehow your neighbor’s fault.
Edit: This maybe flew over my head. Is Orange man Epstein class?
Lol.
This maybe flew over my head. Is Orange man Epstein class?
I am guessing they’re orange to hint that they’re MAGA.
And now, then, I think this may shock you, but there is a fourth consumer class, and they’re a bigger class than you might think. They don’t think about whether a product makes them feel good. They don’t think about whether a specific product is at a low price. Even if they’re poor, they don’t think about budgets, and they tend to be heavily in credit card debt. These people’s defining characteristic is that they don’t think much about anything. They simply choose some authority figure to tell them how to live and then they do whatever they’re told to do. They may occasionally spout out a bit of propaganda out of nowhere, but importantly, they have never once deeply thought about it themselves. They lack even the basic mental tools to think about it.
When challenged, they’ll just say some other bit of propaganda, or they’ll get angry, but they’ll obstinately refuse to think even the tiniest bit for themselves. They have what is called an authoritarian personality, “characterized by a disposition to treat the voice of authority figures with unquestioning obedience and respect.” If you look at the Wikipedia article, you’ll see there is a high correlation between having an authoritarian personality and being poorly educated or being religious (especially being an Evangelical Protestant).
Now, then back to the question about the comic. It is impossible to tell whether the orange man is Epstein class or whether he’s simply a mindless MAGA drone with an authoritarian personality, because they say the exact same things. One says it because they’re evil, and one says it because they refuse to question anything that the evil people say.
I mean I’d have to say, it is a sizable portion of americans. IE the whole selling point of tarrifs is to encourage manufacturing and jobs to move over here. There certainly is a significant amount of overlap between people that want more manufacturing in america that also widely want minimum wage to stay the same or even go down.
Now obviously this ven diagram isn’t a circle, there’s plenty of people that do actually want products to be made by people making enough to live on, both not screwing over labor in the global south etc… or in the US.
Not only will I buy American I will buy from genuine local buissness. It will be much more pricy but I view it as a long term investment that I feel will pan out in the long term
As much as I think that’s noble, I doubt that applies to every product you buy. Picking only one category is a bit disingenuous.
Buying food? Sure. Buying hardware and tools? Sure. Buying clothes? Sure.
All of the above? I doubt it, man, unless you’re REALLY well off…
True it isn’t a 100℅ so it is not full on purity. But I personally try when possible
That’s alright
I am definitely willing to pay more just to avoid stuff made in the USA and Israel.
Republicans support businesses not workers. The people who own the businesses benefit.
Republicans support businesses not workers. The people who own the businesses benefit.
Why do you think it’s “Republicans” and not “Republicans & Democrats”?
Kinda silly, really.
Look around. Union membership is down to under 10% (from over 40%), wages are historically low, our “labor party” abandoned labor many decades ago. The New Deal is now very old and just about dead.
Nooo there are theoretical undecided voters you’re gonna confuse them don’t criticize Dems!
You do have a fair point there, I should be more inclusive.
I loved it when “smarter every day” decided to make a stand and try to build a grill brush, sourced in the US from all US parts, he couldn’t get some of the trivial parts from known US sources and it was still all over $100
Chauvinistic every day
I miss something? I don’t watch all his stuff, but I haven’t seen him be too horrible, aside from the occasional cluelessness.
The referenced videos where he tries to scare people into buying his American made $100 BBQ scraper. He drops the “this is because of jobs in the US” facade when he tries to import the chainmail from India and shows that the whole angle was just sinophobia.
Yeah, the whole video was a bit strange. Interestingly, telling about the US’s current fabrication capabilities. Just about all manufacturing in the US is now pretty dependent upon China, which in itself isn’t a problem, but for a country where a large chunk of the population thinks they can just homestead without fabrication, it’s a wakeup call.
Smarter everyday always came across as rather… Fake in personality. He just always feels wrong.
Yea he’s a bit off…though I haven’t watched him in years and so I couldn’t tell you something accurate about the current him.
Basically the same sort of thing happened to him as to Veritasium, but in a different way.
I try to avoid American products wherever possible :)
Same here! I don’t like the idea of my money funding their abhorrent administration
I will pay more for a non-US option
Dude everything is so expensive. Food and gas and this and that. I’m getting the cheapest I can. I can’t vote with my wallet if I don’t have one
I want to support the American owner class! The one I’m pretty sure I’m soon to be a part of! Once my 3 side hustles take off and we deport those “urban” problems!
“ Also, how about paying more for oil since we’re bombing Iran? It’s made in the US!
“ NOOOO!!
I’ll do anything for the USA except for things that require me to do work or spend money.
I would like things made by local craftsman.
Made in USA has a markup for the cost of labor. But that’s kind of alright by me (when I can afford it) because we should pay people living wages. However, so many companies use “made in USA” as the sole reason to add even MORE markup beyond the additional costs for manufacturing.
I like made locally also because it means let’s transport costs and hopefully lower emissions in what it takes to deliver it to market.
I have a hard time understanding why certain companies should be allowed to be multinational conglomerates. Certain markets probably should have hard caps to the size companies can reach.
I agree with your vibe, especially supporting local craftsmen. But buying American a bit more complicated than looking for the “Made in the USA” sticker.
Some “made in the USA” stuff is prison labor. These companies are profiting off of prisoners. It’s better than slave/child labor overseas but it sucks all around.
Another aspect is that politics around the “Made in the USA” are merky. Final assembly can occur here in the US but it doesn’t mean that it was “made” here.
I went into a deep dive a few years back and found that because of various loopholes, American branded cars are often made in Mexico and then “finished” in the US whereas most foreign brands are assembled in the US.
All of this to say: until we escape late stage capitalism, it’s hard to know for sure how to best support Americans.
Which is why I don’t look for made in USA. I look for small local companies. I also refuse to support those small local companies if they are super patriotic. I hate how they’ve co-opted nationalism for advertising. Plus, it usually means they’re maga skid stains and I don’t want to support them.
A “made in USA” sticker with a flag on it is pretty bargain basement for companies I want to buy from.
Cars sold in America are largely made in a process that involves significant value add in Mexico, the US, and Canada (and it would be very difficult to cut any out of it). Though they often use some components from elsewhere in the world.
Honestly anything of sufficient complexity made in the USA is probably partly made in Canada, and I’m in favor of that. I’d rather buy something made in OR, WA, and BC than replace Canadian labor with labor from a state with anti worker laws and less basic rights. At least I know Canadians aren’t being leased from a prison to makr products.
How is oversea slave labor better then local slave labor…? The fuck
So yeah…like prison labor, it’s a symptom of late stage capitalism.
Overseas sweat shops “benefit” from currency imbalance where the US dollar, British pound, etc all go farther. So a kid at a Bangladesh sewing factory might be getting paid a dollar a day but that’s enough to pay for several days worth of meals.
The problem here is capitalism and I’m not saying that slavery is good. It sucks all around.
So yeah…like prison labor, it’s a symptom of late stage capitalism.
Overseas sweat shops “benefit” from currency imbalance where the US dollar, British pound, etc all go farther. So a kid at a Bangladesh sewing factory might be getting paid a dollar a day but that’s enough to pay for several days worth of meals.
The problem here is capitalism and I’m not saying that slavery is good. It sucks all around.
Nice strawman. Keep fighting it, bud.
How is it a straw man? Show your work, pal
The subjects are not “superficially similar”, in fact, you can’t have A (made in America) without B (wages)
Show your work, pal
ok, gabber:
I ain’t found shit on the Googles if I search for anything that looks like OP’s argument. Almost like there’s no one who made the argument that OP claims is being made.
This is an accurate portrayal of the opinions of countless “america first” dipshits, common enough that you’ve definitely seen it
Then you must have plenty of links, twitter screenshots, etc, to shower me with, to prove your point, no? Instead of the claiming you just do.
He who makes the claim, must provide the evidence. I did a quick google for OP’s claim and found jack shit.
You didn’t google a goddamn thing quit lying
Oh wow, it’s only Lemmy instances! Who knew!? Find me an actual person making the claim the OP says that people are making. Doesn’t even have to be literally word-for-word.
Lemmy users are actual people, dumbass
Who are you calling a dumbass, when the results are literally just a copy and paste from the comic - that’s self-referential, not a source.
That’s because the only search terms you tried is the copypasted text of this post, dumbass
To most people, “Real American” doesn’t mean the working man. It means the capitalist behind him.
