What the actual fuck? The US has turned into a parody of itself. It’s sad to see.
It is my first belief that this is the point.
And Putin is quite happy.
Yes, Putin probably enjoys this, but this is not trump alone. He has the support of the whole republican party, or at least 95% of it.
He has support of the US. They voted for him and for his ‘opposition’ of cowards that can do nothing but watch cry crocodile tears.
I agree it’s not but like AIPAC I don’t think it’s a stretch that the broader cartel that is the GOP realizes their reelection hinges on the bilateral relationship with Russia. They’ve been in cahoots for at least 2 decades or more.
Well don’t think he’s that happy since his supply of drones most likely has dried up
If I understand right, ruzzia has long since started to develop and innovate domestically upon the design of Shaheds, and I don’t think they were receiving that many relative to domestic production, though I agree it’s a thorn in Putin’s side presumably.
Though I have some other theories as to the bigger game being played here but just theories and speculation.
Well, when you elect clowns…
is this honestly a surprise? :(
IDK. Kind of sounds like some shit Russia would do. 😒
Well Russia didn’t do it because they don’t have the “fuck you” power that the US has. Russia sucks and is a huge danger, but this is absolutely not the time to whataboutism about them. I really hope you’re being ironic, because otherwise it’s just providing cover for mass murder.
I mean… there can be two murderous ruthless sadistic powers on earth. Three even! I’ll let you choose the third.
And whataboutisms do not help either case. They just muddy the water and derail the conversation. If you want to talk about Russia or China, the US fighting this awful war only helps other competing empires. Russia is more likely to carve further into Europe, China is more guaranteed to take Taiwan, and other countries will race towards nuclear deterrents even harder then they were. Many more people are dead and will die because of this path America has driven us into. It is horrific and America needs to be stopped to make everyone safer.
It’s not whataboutism, it’s condemning both and NOT letting the existence of other justify the actions of one.
That’s not the way it comes across. It was just as annoying when people did the “what about American imperialism!” when Russia first invaded Ukraine. Timing matters
Russia, USA, and Israel.
I was thinking of China, but I like yours better.
China is bad, but it’s it worse than the these to 3. I doubt it.
The west considers it worst since
- It’s not an European or white nation, which is technologically advanced.
- It’s daring to reject European interference.
- It is communist.
- It is trying to be the next hegemony.
It is bad because
- It is a dictatorship
- There are a lot of human rights abuse happening in is own country.
- It does try to be the next USSR.
I was thinking about how it treat minorities and their threats to Taiwan and how that would impact the global balance and economy.
I don’t care about their race, claimed economic system or government.
But Israel is a genocidal regime, so as of 2026 definitely worse. China has potential to do more damage, tho.
“russia would do” - when you say that to yourself remember that phrase is propaganda. it’s literally some shit the USA did do. Your “IDK” is cognitive dissonance.
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Yes, it’s us. We did this. WE’RE THE NEW RUSSIA!
Lol. We aren’t the new Russia. We’re just continuing to be the same war crime committing monsters we’ve been for centuries.
You are Nazi’s, not Russian. Death to the US.
Bruh you’re not the “new Russia”, Russia is america Lite. Has been since the fall of the USSR. You’ve always been this. You killed millions of Iraqi while pretending to liberate them. Same in Vietnam, same in Korea.
This is what you’ve always been; hopefully when Trump is out of office you stay in reality and don’t fall back to the dream you believed prior to Trump.
Russia was never relevant. The USSR failed.
It was empire
Then feudalism
Then the advent of the ruling of the mercantile class.
Next will be rule by the people.
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Just to understand your claim: you’re saying Israel and the US are attacking hospitals with precision bombs, not carpet bombs? Not sure which would be better, to be honest.
you’re saying Israel and the US are attacking hospitals with precision bombs, not carpet bombs?
This has been Israel’s M.O. for literal decades.
Ryan Grim is an investigative journalist who has a strong track record of accurate and groundbreaking reporting. Whatever semantics arguments you have doesn’t make him any less reputable or this statement any less correct.
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He’s providing context to help people understand what a Kurdish Iranian imam was saying about a washed up son of a former dictator. I’m not sure what’s more pathetic, your lack of reading comprehension or that you genuinely think Pahlavi is an “Iranian opposition leader”. lol
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Yeah sure, the guy cheering on as the US and Israel murder Iranian children and civilians is such an outstanding leader. He’s so good at opposing Iran, he claps when the blood of Iranian children is spilled. That will surely show those mullahs! What else can you expect from son of a dictator. His father committed mass atrocities against the Iran people after overthrowing Iranian democracy with the support of the CIA. Those are definitely the qualifications Iranian people want in a leader. It’s certainly not just the US, Israel, and a number of bitter exiled monarchists pretending Pahlavi is king.
Also it’s really hilarious that you linked pieces by Jeremy Scahill. The guy is an even better journalist than Ryan Grim. He won a number of awards for his on the ground reporting on American wars in the Middle East. How arrogant do you have to be to assume you know the region better than he does?
Also he’s not saying the protests were “inorganic”. Thats just a lie. He’s trying to understand to what extent Israeli and American assets acted as agent provocateurs which isn’t a crazy thing to try and investigate! It’s a known fact that the CIA and Mossad operate in Iran and have carried out acts of sabotage and assassination. Do you really think on the advent of a war the US and Israel wouldn’t try to take advantage of internal unrest? Amazing lol
They mean striking civilian targets when they say carpet bombing, they don’t mean WW2 style mass dumb bombing.
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Bro two hospitals and a school where they haven’t shown a valid target nearby is three civilian targets too many for the most technologically advanced military in the world.
Double tapping is just fuel on a bonfire but sure if prevaricating for fascists is your deal then carry on.
The Islamic regime itself is responsible for a lot more deaths.
STOP JUSTIFYING THIS. YOU. ARE. BRAINWASHED.
Are you arguing semantics over the use of “carpet bombing”? Because it was definitely bombed.
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… so they precision struck those targets then?
Your problem with Ryan Grim is he didn’t paint a bad enough picture?
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Every statement of this tweet is factually false.
The US did and does horrible things, but the attack of this ship was legal: https://www.uwa.edu.au/news/article/2026/march/us-sank-an-iranian-warship-and-didnt-rescue-survivors-is-this-legal-in-war
It was a cruel and cynical attack, but it adhered to the rules of warfare.
This doesn’t change that Trump is a monster and this war is horrible, but this torpedo attack itself was legal.
Edit: anybody thinking I’m defending Trump or his war on Iran can check my post history. This is my post from literally 1 day ago:
So, do you mean that the US wasn’t invited in the Naval exercise?
Where in the tweet did he even type the word “illegal”?
Lot of gymnastics here. This is pretty simple: do not move your unarmed warship through international waters so you can arm it and join an active conflict while your aggressor is literally right next to you.
The Iranian admiral who ordered this ship to sail is an idiot and this ship was fair game.
Yes, and schoolchildren will eventually grow up and reach fighting age so they are also fair game. Parents that sent those kids to school are idiots.
Oh, and parents can have more kids so they are also fair game. People that decided to be born in Iran are idiots.
Your routine was ambitious but I think you stuck the landing. 10/10.
How much did you get paid to say that? It’s worse if this a self developed belief.
I get paid in downvotes from people who can’t think. I get paid in replies empty of any rebuttal.
Fucking wild takes in these comments…
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Fun fact: they were unarmed
Do you have a source for that? It didn’t say that in the article.
We obviously shouldn’t have attacked their country or navy, but it was a warship; my understanding is it would take a lot of expense and effort to make them unarmed…
Some of the people involved have said on social media it was a requirement. I didn’t see any evidence one way or the other.
TONS of countries were involved, including the US. This was, by any stretch of imagination, a shitty cowardly move.
It’s weird how the US is turning into everything it fought against. Was fun while it lasted.
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There’s a reason at least half the world despises the US
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This is the US and it always has been. The current administration is just stupider than previous ones. They don’t realize that hiding US war crimes served a purpose. They think bragging about their depravity will halt American decline. In reality, it will do the opposite as people like you lose faith in the inherent virtue of the American project.
current administration is just stupider
Imagine that they are not. What if they figured that they can’t hide the crimes and that they are going to do so many that they have to get the population used to it. Trump is no mistake but a solution.
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John McCain is celebrating wildly in Hell. Bombing Iran has been an American dream for decades!
Can’t bring about Armageddon without breaking a few eggs.
This is just the start. The old world broke once russia invaded Ukraine and we did nothing. Now other countries have realized that the world wont do anything if they also attack. Expansion has once again started. I expect Taiwan to be finished by summer too.
The old world broke when the US and UK invaded Iraq illegally in 2003. This is the natural consequence of that. If the people claiming to uphold them don’t follow the rules because they are strong enough, then if we are strong enough we can do anything we want.
I know the UK went along with the Iraq war but remember it was the US that lied and convinced the UK to join in, not that it matters too much, but still.
They did lie, but it was a pretty blatant lie, and it was still contrary to all international law.
I get this vibe that no one knows what’s going on anymore and everything is just running on the fumes of the zeitgeist and conspiracy theories.
I find the fact that the whole world “knows” that China will invade Taiwan in 2027 to be really strange. And this has been the case for years. It feels like certain groups are taking it as a foregone conclusion.
Because in a sea of massive uncertainty and chaos that’s around us today, China invading Taiwan in the middle of this makes the most sense out of anything that’s happening right now. It makes so much sense, that everyone has collectively realized it would be stupid for China not to invade Taiwan right now.
I mean, it’s really, really bad for the world, but it would be stupid if they didn’t do it and take advantage of what’s happening everywhere.
China taking Taiwan makes zero sense. It’s a peaceful island next to gigantic mainland China and they can easily coexist like this
Tell that to China
Any time. And they probably know that if they start warring against the peaceful island, the worlds perspective on them changes for good. Tibet was already bad, but they didn’t have the means to spread their message like today and China got away with it.
And yet China is doing its new 5 year plan and that involves changing its language on Taiwan from “resolutely oppose” to “resolutely fight against” Taiwan.
What old world? The US committing war crimes is par for the course. This is the same kind of shit the US did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and more. The cruelty is the point. The difference now is that the current administration is too stupid to lie about it.
I have that very album in my CD shelf 5 meters from me - when I bought it I just thought it was a cool Star Wars reference - I didn’t know what quality music I was getting :)
… Add yet another warcrime to the list…
Why do you think it’s a war crime?
… Because they were in international waters, not engaged in any combat activity, unarmed, and also the US hadn’t, and still hasn’t, actually declared war against them.
And we, the US, made no effort to help the survivors, which is actually required by international law.
I don’t think these make this a war crime but I’m not an expert, can you show me an article describing or explaining it as such. Like I’m not interested in whether it was right or moral (it wasn’t) but as far as I can tell it wasn’t a war crime.
Ok.
You’re wrong, by the way.
And no, you don’t need an article, wikipedia should suffice.
If you gave even half of a shit about this, and possess a brain that can write a high school book report, you could figure this out on your own.
Consider me asking for help then. I’ve read the wikipedia article on war crimes and it says nothing about the reasons you gave. I’ve wathced a YouTube video before about war crimes that made me think that this probably wasn’t one but watching a video obviously doesn’t make me an expert and I hope you believe me when I say that I honestly want to find out whether this was a war crime or not.
i think this forum got the worst people from reddit
But I want Lemmy to be more like Reddit. /S
Fr now i am beginning to understand strict immigration enforcement, you can thank reddit immigrants for that
Because someone called out a war crime?
I’m honestly appalled by the number of comments here that are defending this evil, cowardly attack.
So we blew up a ship because it belonged to the wrong country and not because it was a threat?
It sure sounds like our country is at war with their country. Good thing my super trustworthy government got out ahead of that one and told us it’s not a war.
no, you see… they are at war with us but we are just pre-empting their threats. Like… have you seen the way these people stared at us? They clearly hated us for some reason. And you know how dangerous people are when they are that full of hatred
Iran doesn’t like Israel so it was a pre-preemptive strike on behalf of our dearest ally.
Not only that, but it sure looked like they waited for them to muster at a known time and then hit that section of the ship.
It’s in the same category as the Highway of Death, where it’s not technically a war crime, but it’s close enough to one that you get the feeling that it should be.
It’s a moot point anyway, as even if the girls school bombing and any other reported attacks on civilian targets were completely accidental and unintentional, the following two crimes would still have been committed by the Amero-Israeli politicians and brass:
- Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of a crime against peace
- Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace
Rudolph Hess was found guilty of the above two crimes (but not to war crimes or crimes against humanity) at Nuremberg and sentenced to life in prison. War crimes and crimes against humanity are very provable against a lot of the Israeli brass and political elite, as well as the American political elite, and those crimes were often met with a sentence of execution.
It’s very unlikely that we’ll get a Nuremburg out of this whole thing, but the legal precedent is quite clear.
Oh this is definitely a war crime. It was murder, they were not even at war with us. We found a helpless ship and sunk it for fun killing the majority of the sailors. Absolutely disgusting.
It’s always a bit of a fuzzy line when it comes to submarine warfare, especially in modern times. A submarine on the surface is so vulnerable that in most military contexts, it would be suicidal to surface in a combat zone. At the same time, a military ship is a completely legitimate target, even if it’s defenceless. However, this wasn’t exactly a “combat zone”, since it was a ship with no escorts known to be defenceless, and very far from any friendly forces capable of assisting it or attacking the submarine.
The rules and customs of war at sea definitively state that you have to offer aid to the crew of a ship you sink. They didn’t do that, they just left them for dead. You could argue that a submarine doesn’t have the capability to render aid, given the aforementioned necessity of staying submerged, but there was another option. They could have stayed at periscope depth (they were already at periscope depth in order to film the heckin epic sinking of a defenceless ship), radioed them with an order to stop and informed them that they had 10 minutes to abandon ship before they were sunk, and then torpedoed them. This would have satisfied the rules and customs of war, and still have gotten them their torpedo video, while not endangering the sub (especially since Iran had no way to hit it back).
In short, I’ve definitely come around to the position that this was a war crime, but I would argue that it is only so because they either didn’t render aid when they could have, or because they didn’t give warning (given that they would argue that they couldn’t render aid) when they could have. Don’t take explanation of the nuance of the situation as sympathy fot the americans, if there was a button that would kill every american service member i would press it without hesitation.
The US desperately needs to change the regime, because otherwise they know the same will happen to their oil tankers eventually.
