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Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
Let’s hope the rest of europe finally understands Trump ain’t their friend and never was
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
It’s the ones that he won that count.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
It absolutely is, I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
Cooperation is generally a good thing, but it’s impossible to cooperate with USA now. Their values are simply too different from ours.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights, USA support authoritarians and corruption, and work against what used to be shared values.I want USA to go back to the optimism and respect for human rights they had in the 70’s.
The 70s? Like, during the Vietnam war? Or when they installed Pinochet? The US never cared about human rights.
We (EU) support democracy and human rights
Like in Libya? Or Israel? The idea of the EU as a shining beacon of human rights is nothing more than PR; it’s just another neocolonial empire. Respectfully, you should (re)learn some post-WWII history.
Cooperation is generally a good thing,
Cooperation for good is a good thing; cooperation between tyrants to more efficiently practice their tyranny is a bad thing. The historical EU-US relationship falls under the latter category.
The Vietnam war started in 1955 and ENDED in the 70’s.
There were also massive protests against that war in the 70’s, and the peace-movement was way more active in the 70’s than any other decade. Humanitarian values were clearly on the rise, and Carter was elected in 1976, the most humanitarian president USA ever had.That’s still 1970-1973, or four of ten years one would call “the 70s.” That said, if you want more examples you can consult this list, among others. And let’s not forget all the evil shit Israel got up to with American permission in this time period. Also… uh… mind responding to everything else I said? Unless you’re conceding those other points, in which case fair enough.
Response to your edit: The peace movement was nice, but neither it nor Carter prevented the US from installing and supporting foreign dictators, arming Israel or giving diplomatic cover to the Khmer Rouge. Carter was a good man if I’m not mistaken, but the state apparatus he presided over was as unapologetically evil as ever.
As I very clearly wrote, progress was fast in the 70’s, and ideals about peace, democracy and human rights were on the rise.
Progress being fast, clearly means things were better late 70’s than early 70’s.
I also never claimed things were only sunshine and rainbows, only that things got better.
You write like someone who did not experience the 70’s, and is completely ignorant about the mentality of the 70’s compared to the pragmatism that was before and came back very quickly after.
I absolutely agree that after WW2 USA took a new role upon themselves, to act as global police, and they clearly got drunk on their own power.
But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s. And the normalization in the White house of illegal practices with the Iran Contra, that had zero consequences for the administration.But there’s a huge difference between the progress of the 70’s, and the insane armament and undermining of workers unions, the poor and even democracy that Reagan began in the 80’s.
Sure, except none of this is relevant to the topic. It’s hard to argue that things weren’t somewhat (and only somewhat) better in the 70s, but… so what? The pendulum was always going to swing in the other direction, and it did before the US did anything even close to redeeming itself. What’s your point here?
Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It’s screaming babies all the way down
There’s a joke about the epstein files in there I ain’t gonna make… but it’s there.
Haha. That’s not the image I was going for
His brain is mush. Have you ever been around someone who is losing their mind. Nothing coming out of their mouth makes much sense and most of it is anger.
He did admit he stopped growing/maturing by age 6. It tracks.
The Karen administration.
And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them … It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch’s can make a buck, then it’s taco time all over again.
Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!
Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.
Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.
I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.
Go Spain!
Will someone ever succeed in explaining Trump what the EU is?
I’m pretty sure no one has ever successfully explained anything to Trump.
Certainly not the age of consent. Or consent in general.
Remember when he tried to discuss a trade deal with Merkel? And she is like “uh, that’s not how it works”
Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, one of a dwindling number of left-leaning voices in Europe
I didn’t know there were any left. Good job, Spain!
You should also look into the Hungarian elections coming up its starting to look like their far right leader will lose!
Don’t get too excited. Yes, it’s a split from Orban and Magyar is more pro-EU, but Tisza (the new party) is a splinter group from Fidesz (Orban’s party) and share many of the same views domestically.
Basically, same far right people but willing to stfu to get access to EU funds again.
I haven’t looked into it too much myself but that would still be a pretty good improvement since the new party would probably approve more bills that hungry is currently blocking if they didn’t then they still wouldn’t get funding
That would be awesome! Do it, people!
The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.
They aren’t even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.
Did you mean consistent?
Congruent:
Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.
“¡Come mierda, pinche guero cagaleche!”
Good job on Spain for having a spine
As an Spaniard, this is the bare minimum I expect from my government. Better yet would be to evict the US from the Rota and Morón bases.
Spain is jumping a sinking ship. Kudos for being first.
The MAGA fucks still fail to realize how important the US military installations in the EU are for their stupid military adventures. Spain is 100% correct and the rest of the EU members should do the same to bring the entire ill planned shitshow, created by Israel and the USA, to an abrupt end.
I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
As a European, I feel that we are still tiptoeing around Trumps threats and perhaps need a catalyst to start our transition away from reliance upon the US. The UK had Brexit which was wholly dumb. However, Europe is so much more than just a tiny island
It is always good to not look at what geopolitcal actors say, but what they do. For example the Make in Europe initative, the massive trade deals with Mercosur, India and a lot of other countries and blocks recently, a move towards local weapons and software purchases, working on replacing Visa and Mastercard with the digital Euro and so forth.
European countries were in general close allies of the US. That created a close reliance, which can not be cut without a lot of pain overnight. The biggest issue seems to be Russia right now. Having the US as a NATO member at least on paper defending members against Russia is usefull. As are the ability to purchase some American weapons, without European alternatives or with too low production numbers like Patriot. The smart move is to reduce the dependence on the US steadily, while not causing too many big breaks, which hurt Europe.
Probably a good comparison is what happened with Russia after the full scale invasion. A lot of yelling at each other. Massive fights on different positions and then half a year later the EU mostly cut off Russian fossil fuels, managed to set up a steady supply of arms and other aid to Ukraine, provide support for millions of refugees and so forth.
MEGA - Make Europe great again?
Fuck no!
There will be some, like the Brexiteers. However, my though is that the entire world needs to reduce dependency upon the US, and the Trillionaire class.
