Germany has deported 20 people to Afghanistan on what was the first flight directly agreed with the Taliban since the militants’ return to power in 2021
Germany has deported 20 people to Afghanistan on what was the first flight directly agreed with the Taliban since the militants’ return to power in 2021
What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?
And if they’re “only illegal”: how can they not be qualified for an asylum case, if their country tortures and murders political opponents?
Edit: and if they’re criminals, but are deported because they’re illegal: where’s the justice in that? The law states 6 months to 5 years minimum for different acts of rape, for example. So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality? Society deems that the proper punishment for rape, apparently, so why are they not punished accordingly, then? And our juidical system thinks of people who served their sentence as redeemed, so after their sentence they could qualify for asylum again, as maybe Afghanistan is still unsafe then, but they’re redeemed?!
It’s not complicated:
Foreign national enters the country illegally to seek asylum (which is fine) -> commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid -> they no longer have legal status to remain the country -> deported
They don’t. They almost carry out their sentence in Germany first and the get deported right after. This is not a get out jail free card. This is a you’re leaving the country after you finish your sentence in jail card.
It is very complicated.
If their asylum case is dismissed because of crimes, that would be a direct violation of human rights. The right to asylum does not depend on whether you’re a nice or very shitty person.
So in the eyes of the law they’re redeemed and attoned? How is their crime then relevant in the legal discussion about deportation? You, personally, can still hate them for their crimes, the state cannot. So it’s back to “do they have a reason for asylum?”. I’d say yes, very much, it’s an easy case for Afghanistan.
But it does depend on whether or not you’re a genuine threat to society, which these individuals are.
They’re not German citizens or residents. Germany has no obligation to keep them in the country. They lost their legal status and chance at attaining asylum when they committing the crimes, and they’re no longer allowed in the country once they serve their sentences.
I’m not sure why you’re willing to go so far to defend literal rapists being deported, but there’s no credible evidence that the Taliban has gone after any of the deportees from the previous deportation rounds that Germany made. These are muslim Afghani men who were rejected from the west, I think the Taliban will embrace them if anything.
No. Here’s the funny thing: having human rights depends on nothing! That is what makes them ‘universal’ and ‘inalienable’.
Again not how human rights work. I’m pretty sure that even the state has better reasoning for the deports than you, as this would be such a blatant violation of human rights, that it would be very awkward for Germany.
You made that allegation often in this thread. But you do realize that defending the individual and their deed is very different from defending their rights? All those ‘Western’ and ‘Christian’ values? Here we could really show them and fill those words with meaning. Having values and standing for them becomes hard, when you have to apply them to rapists, yes. But that’s also the test, whether you’re serious about those grandiose values.