Germany has deported 20 people to Afghanistan on what was the first flight directly agreed with the Taliban since the militants’ return to power in 2021
They deported criminals, but do I really have to explain that those too, have rights? Rights that will be violated the second they set foot on Afghan soil?
You can’t just handwaved rights away when things get uncomfortable. Rights are there for everyone or they aren’t. If they can deport criminals to war zones or places where said criminals may face execution or torture, they can do that with you too
That is totally insane and the people responsible should be put on trial: Today Pakistan declared “open war” against the taliban with airstrikes on Kabul:
So the Merz government has done a shady deal with the Taliban and are now deporting people into an active warzone. That escalation is also not coming out of the blue, but everybody who payed attention knew about it. So what the fuck is the government doing here?
The 20 being deported are convicted rapists and drug traffickers who were in Germany illegally. These are not the people you want to defend.
Doesn’t matter. Human rights also apply to rapists and drug traffickers.
Very uncomfortable point to make, but also very true
What human rights are being violated here? Immigrating to Germany or any country is not a right, it’s a privilege. These individuals went to Germany illegally, then committed serious crimes, were found guilty, and now they’re getting deported back to their country because they longer qualify for asylum. This is like the most basic and most common sense immigration policy to have, calling it a human rights violation is asinine.
You are being incredibly shady. What do you think the Taliban will do to those people?
If someone is in Germany and is convicted of a crime then they have to go to prison in Germany.
Probably nothing. This is the Taliban we’re talking about. They don’t care about things crimes committed against non believers. All 20 of the deported are Afghani men, as long as they show loyalty to the Taliban, they’ll probably be left alone.
If someone is in Germany and is convicted of a crime then they have to go to prison in Germany.
My understanding is that if they’re convicted of a crime in Germany, they serve their sentence first and then get deported right after.
What human rights are being violated here?
Article 14
Here’s what article 14 says:
Article 14
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Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
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This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
The principle behind this article only applies to genuine cases of political prosecution, where the person seeking refuge is doing so in good faith. Countries can and often do reject asylum cases where the person seeking asylum either lies on their application or commits serious crimes inside the country they’re seeking refuge in. I don’t see these individuals being deported as a violation of this article.
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They deported criminals, but do I really have to explain that those too, have rights? Rights that will be violated the second they set foot on Afghan soil?
You can’t just handwaved rights away when things get uncomfortable. Rights are there for everyone or they aren’t. If they can deport criminals to war zones or places where said criminals may face execution or torture, they can do that with you too
If they can deport criminals to war zones or places where said criminals may face execution or torture, they can do that with you too
But Afghanistan isn’t a war zone anymore and there’s no evidence that these individuals are going to be tortured. If there was credible evidence that this deportations would lead to state sanctioned torture, then you would be right, and these deportations should be halted. However, Germany has made similar deportations in the previous years and there hasn’t been any reported incidents of torture of any of the deportees.
How do you know they were in Germany illegaly, anyway? The article does not state that?
Germany had similar deportations before, and the previous ones consisted of foreign nationals who committed serious crimes in Germany, got their asylum cases rejected, and we’re sent back to the country they came from.
The Nazis raising again in germany. Im scared.
Look at who’s being deported before you write something dumb
Merz and his government have lost touch with reality even before they got elected. They‘re a bunch of multi millionaires who‘s biggest mission is to fuck with everything still good in the world it seems. Pretty much all their policies are flat out bad for 99% of the population while they are among the remaining 1%.
We have come a long way since “We don’t negotiate with terrorists”.
Not really, business with genociders was as usual
I know it might be hard to grasp, but there is more to German history than WW2.
I am pretty sure is isn’t talking about the genocide 80 years ago, but about the many genocides since then.
I’m talking about genocide conducted by dear middle eastern ally of Germany.
Which makes even less sense as the German Autumn is further in the past than Israels current atrocities.
Makes sense. Occupy a country to bring freedom and democracy™, fail horribly, kill a lot of people while at it and in the end deport more people to be killed and tortured 👍
Mission accomplished!
You sound dumb as hell. These 20 are literally Afghan nationals who entered Germany illegally, committed heinous crimes, got convicted in courts, and they’re being sent back to their country because they’ll never get approved for asylum. How can anyone feel any sort of sympathy to literal rapists and drug traffickers?
got convicted in courts
Last I checked being deported was no penalty in German criminal code.
So those literal rapists and drug traffickers walk free in Afghanistan?
Mission accomplished, such dramatic charges, much wow.
They’re not being deported as a punishment, they’re being deported because they’re in Germany illegal and are no longer qualified to have an asylum case, so they’re being sent back to their country.
What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?
And if they’re “only illegal”: how can they not be qualified for an asylum case, if their country tortures and murders political opponents?
Edit: and if they’re criminals, but are deported because they’re illegal: where’s the justice in that? The law states 6 months to 5 years minimum for different acts of rape, for example. So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality? Society deems that the proper punishment for rape, apparently, so why are they not punished accordingly, then? And our juidical system thinks of people who served their sentence as redeemed, so after their sentence they could qualify for asylum again, as maybe Afghanistan is still unsafe then, but they’re redeemed?!
What is it now? Are they deported because they’re illegal or because the are “convicted of heinous crimes (drug trafficking and rape)”, as you wrote before?
It’s not complicated:
Foreign national enters the country illegally to seek asylum (which is fine) -> commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid -> they no longer have legal status to remain the country -> deported
So they get a free pass now, because they’re of another nationality?
They don’t. They almost carry out their sentence in Germany first and the get deported right after. This is not a get out jail free card. This is a you’re leaving the country after you finish your sentence in jail card.
It is very complicated.
commits a serious crime -> their asylum case is no longer valid
If their asylum case is dismissed because of crimes, that would be a direct violation of human rights. The right to asylum does not depend on whether you’re a nice or very shitty person.
They almost carry out their sentence in Germany
So in the eyes of the law they’re redeemed and attoned? How is their crime then relevant in the legal discussion about deportation? You, personally, can still hate them for their crimes, the state cannot. So it’s back to “do they have a reason for asylum?”. I’d say yes, very much, it’s an easy case for Afghanistan.
to bring freedom and democracy
Which never is the real reason.
fail horribly
It could be a success. We don’t know.
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