Damn. I though this thread was being hyperbolic but they really wrote it like Intel will, for the first time in their history, making GPUs lmao
I guess the Arc a750 in my workstation is imaginary?
Am I living in an alternate timeline? They’ve been making GPUs for quite some time- and B580 was actually pretty good, incredibly good for the price.
The problem with intel. They never just keep going. They announce some new gpu/graphics product and when it falls short they don’t or wont stick with it. They abandon it and use it as a write off. They have done this multiple times and I have no reason to believe they will do anything different. The last time was just a few years ago and when sales and performance lagged they just quit.
Like if ARC has never existed before?
If what‽
Intel ARC is a GPU brand by Intel that are half the price of a typical Nvidia card at almost the same performance. They been unpopular due to shaky drivers but they have never been canceled. So, stating that Intel will finally enter GPU market is just plain misleading.
English clearly isn’t their first language, but the intent is pretty obviously “As if they aren’t already making ARC GPUs?”
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I had to check the date on the article. They’ve been making GPUs for 3 years now, but I guess this announcement–although weird–is a sign that Arc is here to stay, which is good news.
This article was based off what the CEO said at the Second Annual AI Summit, following the news of their new head of GPU hire who says he “will lead GPU engineering with a focus on AI at Intel”. The AI pivot is the actual news.
focus on AI
Never mind guys, it’s a nothing burger
Oh so they will actually not focus on GPUs as end consumer products for you and me. They’re just like Nvidia and AMD. This news really just shows how cooked gaming is.
I don’t know, perhaps gaming will get rejected AI chips with a few cores broken. The chip design requirements are slightly different but not completely foreign
Just what every consumer needs. More AI focused chips.
Intel just trying to cash in on the AI hype to buy the sinking ship, as far as investors are concerned.
Don’t worry, it’s just a relabeling. The stuff is still the same.
It’s not even a pivot. They’ve been focusing on AI already. I’m sure they want it to seem like a pivot (and build up hype); the times before apparently just having the hardware and software wasn’t enough. nobody cared when the gaudi cards came out, nobody uses sycl or onednn, etc
It feels like TechCrunch is allowing a drunk Ai to write all its articles now.
The actual chips are farmed out to TSMC, I don’t believe they’ve made any in house so I’m guessing maybe they’ve decided that they’re going to do that sometimes now? But then, even some of their CPUs are made by TSMC so I could be on a very wrong path.
TSMC is how they stay competitive; that’s what everyone else uses
Intel is still catching up with 18A
The 18A production node itself is designed to prove that Intel can not only create a compelling CPU architecture but also manufacture it internally on a technology node competitive with TSMC’s best offerings.
You are a bit out of date. I cant say what I know, but tsmc is just one player now. Semiconductor industry is about to make some jumps.
You design semiconductors for a living? Or just read articles?
They want to make Celestial on 18A, no?
Tom Peterson, who’s been working at Intel for half a decade: Am I a joke to you
No, now they’re going to make good video cards!
Well that article was a waste of space. Intel has already stepped into the GPU market with their ARC cards, so at the very least the article should contain a clarification on what the CEO meant.
And I see people shitting on the arc cards. The cards are not bad. Last time I checked the B580 had performance comparable to the 4060 for half the cost. The hardware is good, it’s simply meant for budget builds. And of course the drivers have been an issue, but drivers can be improved and last time I checked Intel is actually getting better with their drivers. It’s not perfect but we can’t expect perfect. Even the gold standard of drivers, Nvidia, has been slipping in the last year.
All is to say, I don’t understand the hate. Do we not want competition in the GPU space? Are we supposed to have Nvidia and AMD forever until AMD gives up because it becomes too expensive to compete with Nvidia? I’d like it to be someone else than Intel but as long as the price comes down I don’t care who brings it down.
And to be clear, if Intels new strategy is keeping the prices as they are I’m all for “fuck Intel”.
The USA owns 10% of the company, which might turn off some.
This is a big part of it, imo. They kissed the ring.
The other part of it is that, per the article, this is an “AI” pivot. This is not them making more consumer-oriented GPUs. Which is frustrating, because they absolutely could be a viable competitor in low-mid tier if they wanted to. But “AI” is (for now) much more lucrative. We’ll see how long that lasts.
CPU overhead is quite well known and actually damages a lot the arc cards’ position on the budget class
Oh great, some wildly overpriced and underperforming GPUs.
Edit: went looking at Intel’s desktop GPUs and found this gem:
Powerful AI Engines
Unlock new AI experiences with up to 233 TOPS of AI engine performance for content creation, real-time AI chat, editing, and upscaled gaming.3
And checked out the specs for performance of Intel’s top cards (B580/A770) against a basic 3080 card (no OC/TI, whatever) and the intel cards ranked well below the older 3080, and weren’t even in the ballpark against upper tier 4- and 5- series Nvidia cards. Plus missing features like DLSS, etc.
Good enough for non-FPS dependent gaming? Sure. Can’t beat the price, I was wrong about that. Want to play high-FPS demanding twitch gaming? No.
“oh great, competition in a market with no competition. Horrible.”
Intel has already been making discrete GPUs for two generations and they are very cheap and aren’t the most performant but fantastic for the price.
I’d rather a non-US player enter the market like moorethreads, but because of us capitalist assholes, handicapping China competition for a long time they aren’t going to be able to make cards that are up to our performance standards till the 2030s probably
They won’t be for you.
Oh no, Nvidia’s pet is rebelling. Maybe they should be remindes of their current status
What the fuck? What kind of idiotic article is that? Did Techcrunch go down the drain too?
Doesn’t Nvidia have $5bi stakes of intel? I wonder how that influences their decisions.
Not gonna make a lick of difference without the support to run CUDA.
ZLUDA exists.
Intel GPU support?
ZLUDA previously supported Intel GPUs, but not currently. It is possible to revive the Intel backend. The development team is focusing on high‑quality AMD GPU support and welcomes contributions.
Anyways, no actual AI company is going to buy $100M of AI cards just to run all of their software through an unfinished community made translation layer, no matter how good it becomes.
OneAPI is decent, but apparently usually fairly cumbersome to work with and people prefer to write software in cuda as it’s the industry standard (and the standard in academia)
Anyways, no actual AI company is going to buy $100M of AI cards just to run all of their software through an unfinished community made translation layer, no matter how good it becomes.
Good. So prices might actually be reasonable.
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