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    When there are road works they tend to close the high way or at least some lanes because a hi vis jacket doesn’t protect you against speeding lunatics.

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    If they’re going to do that, they should also go back to requiring motor cars to be preceded by an attendant on foot, waving a red flag.

    You know, for safety.

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      This one actually makes sense as cars and automobiles are technically heavy machinery. Thus so, they should technically at all times be operated with a spotter outside of the vehicle at all times.

      1000054560

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    This is fucked and no way something like this should pass.

    Also if a cyclist is expected to wear a helmet and high reflection vest then car drivers should be required to do the same, windows should also be completely down with no music playing what so ever. If you go a cellphone or you are eating a burger or snack bar straight to jail for attempted manslaughter.

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      Their cars and lorries also need high-vis striping, no less than 7 stripes front to back, and 3 wrapped around the body. The stripes must also be painted into the base coat, they may not be part of a wrap.

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      Require cars to have a governor that limits speed, either geofenced to anywhere cyclists/ pedestrians are common, or high density, (like within a town) or make them have self driving car like ‘AI’ cameras, that limit speed when peds/ cyclists are within sight, and either alarm/ brake whenever one comes within 10’.

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    Y’all are missing the key point, if the headline and my understanding are to be believed. They’re proposing making it a CRIMINAL offense, not a fine you misdemeanor, but a can put you in jail criminal offense (felony for you yanks), that’s way over the top.

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        Also worth noting not are people on a bicycle are “cyclists”, just like not all people in a car are “race car drivers”.

        There’s various types of bicycle, such as riding for pleasure, casual riding, entertainment, or racing. Not to mention the various ages of bicyclists. These distinctions are important, just as much as safe well designed infrastructure for all roadway users, weather they are on foot, or a bicycle, or in a car.

        A example of “cyclists” 1000054562

        A example of causal bicyclists 1000054564

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    They should create a law that makes it legal for civilians to assassinate the drivers of vehicles who veer into bike lanes.

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    Aka if a driver hits you and you aren’t in uniform you get injury and a fine and some complementary salt to pour in any open wounds.

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    The thing is that the bicycle is the only means of transport for medium distances which statistically makes your life longer, not shorter.

    The reasons are the health effects of cycling, compared to the health effects of sitting in a car and not doing daily excercise. The number one cause of death is cardiovascular diseases, which are also caused by lack if excercise. These risks are far larger than the risk of accidents.

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      Feels like blaming the victim to me.

      Why don’t drivers put their phones down? They’re the one running bicyclists over, not the other way around.

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        It doesn’t take a moron texting and driving to run into a cyclist… morons can be distracted or stupid for any reason. As I said, can’t trust anyone behind a wheel. Just saying it how it is.

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        That’s not victim blaming, that’s being sensible.

        As someone who both bikes a lot and drives, seeing bikes in the city at night on a rainy day, with all the various lights, water reflections and loss of visibility from rain is a nightmare if they don’t use lights, or have poor ones. Hi-vis vests are a godsend, makes life easier all around.

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          Where I’m from, you are required to adjust your speed to visibility.
          If someone has trouble seeing cyclists who have all the required visibility measures, they are driving too fast, or shouldn’t be driving at all.

          It’s hard to see this as anything else but allowing drivers to drive faster at the inconvenience of cyclists, under punishment of a felony.

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            If someone has trouble seeing cyclists who have all the required visibility measures

            That was the point I was making. Cyclists SHOULD be wearing/using all of these at night/in the rain, for everyone’s safety.

            If you can’t see cyclists during the day in fair weather without them wearing a hi-vis vest, you shouldn’t be driving. I think we’re on the same page there.

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          What you’re saying is true, and when riding in those conditions I choose to wear a high-vis and helmet.

          Nonetheless it is victim-blaming to make it mandatory (nevermind doing that in broad daylight). There’s always more that could be done ; clown hat, flashing lights, police escort, machine guns, F-35s. We have to draw the line somewhere, and if headlights are good enough for cars, they’re good enough for cyclists. Cars would also see fewer accidents if they were covered in high-vis paint, yet curiously no-one is arguing for mandating it.

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        It’s a safety precaution, like bike lights and seat belts. It’s better that people take precautions. I’ve worn a hard hat on job sites for years because it’s Union mandated for safety.

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          Funny, the job site comparison is also in the article:

          Cannon said: “In every other hazardous environment, particularly workplaces, we apply an internationally recognised hierarchy of controls: eliminating danger where possible, engineering risks out of the system and separating people from hazards. Only as a last resort do we rely on personal protective equipment. On our roads, we invert this logic entirely, skipping straight to: ‘Be visible’ and ‘Watch out’.”

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            It’s much easier to make rules for private warehouses. We do need to redesign transit infrastructure to accommodate cyclists safely. But it’s a massive undertaking and there’s a heap of cunts out there who don’t give a fuck about cyclists and want to spend the money adding lanes to freeways or other dumb shit to make cars lives easier (sell more fuel)…

        • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.worldOP
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          I suppose pedestrians need hi-viz jackets, too. And a siren on their head.

          Put hi-viz jackets on squirrels and deer, too.

          Put a warning sign on every tree.

          Or, you know, hold drivers accountable for their actions instead of letting get away with literal murder.

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      You do be wearing your full body armor then yes? Because where is the line?

      Don’t answer me because it’s rhetorical.