cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/58978579
The online survey of 1,002 U.S. adults was conducted between Jan. 13 and 15. It found that 66 per cent of respondents want Canada to remain an independent nation
Probably 15% of those don’t know what annex means
Fucking hell that’s too high. They’ve been nothing but an excellent neighbor to us and they want to remain sovereign. This is just a demand for a forever war against old friends that will also result in us actually being attacked on our own soil for once. Because yeah, they know where our bases are and if we’re invading they’re going to use their modern military.
In fact, I’m angry at the term annex here. Annex is a word that feels neutral and like it could be bloodless, the word in question is invade or go to war with. Going to war with Canada would result in attacks on our cities. Civilians will die on both sides for no fucking gain. Billions of dollars in infrastructure will be wiped out for good reason and that’s all assuming that nato stays neutral, which they’ve made pretty clear isn’t the case. We need to start talking here with the people in our lives about how that’s what “annexing” canada looks like, and make damn sure that we get into the 90+% range vociferously opposing this bullshit.
I think even many Canadians don’t think it through. If we survive the initial invasion we will be deprived of education, healthcare, freedom of movement, democratic representation, autonomy, resources like water and electricity, employment and money. Some of us would be pulled out of our homes and disappeared or killed, particularly if we’re vocal critics of the USA. We would be closely watched and guarded and met with violence at the first sign of resistance or noncompliance. Our children would be indoctrinated in school. Our scientific institutions would be shut down. Our friends and family, particularly anyone who is not a straight white cis Christian conservative, will be in constant danger. It won’t be just an administrative handover that allows Canadians to get on with their lives. It will be brutal and punitive.
Which is why violent, disruptive resistance would be the norm. I’m talking making the Taliban look like a relief organization. I would happily make sure Americans fear for their lives every second of every day if it ever came to that and I know Im not alone in that. If I had to die as a result, as long as I take out 10 Americans before I do I’d die happy.
In other words, terrorize the fuckers until they go home.
We would, but what other choice would we have if if happened? Just kowtow to the US? Fuck that. Would it suck and make everything horrible? Yes, but not like Ukraine had an option when their war started.
We need to figure out how a smallish, largely unarmed population could make a large, heavily armed force wish they had never met us.
Canadian here: FUCK. OFF.
American here - I wish we would
NGL I’d want Canada to annex us.
I’m in the PNW, it’s a fairly common sentiment around here.
I’m from MN, same here. Especially since the federal government despises us so much.
How about Canada Annexes the PNW and New England and the US annexes Alberta.
How about you guys get your house in order, fix your stupid gun laws, and then we can talk about something like North American Schengen. Quebec City to Chicago in high speed rail sounds like fun, you know?
That sounds lovely and like something I have argued for for my entire life and will continue to argue for. It’s currently unclear if the US will splinter, but I dream of a day when high speed rail can take someone from Vancouver to Mexico City
I was always kinda hopin’ Canada would annex us instead.
I’ve traveled to a few states and I think some of them would make fantastic provinces. Some of them have people very kind and friendly, and I like to think that fits well with Canadians.
Set it up! If you can get orange daddy to sign off on it (convince him it’ll sway the vote to be more red with fewer blue in there) we’ll be set!
You like bacon? You ever had sortilege?
The top half of VT is basically Canada, heck a lot of them speak french already.
bacon and sortilege both sound nice.
So many US sources say shit like “only 17 %” as if this is a low value. It’s infuriating
I think the wording is meant to contrast how few Americans actually want it, vs, how much Trump wants it, who, as president, should, in theory as an elected figure, represent the majority opinion of the people. So, they are calling attention to the fact that it’s a low number, but for a different reason than your reading.
Obviously that is part of what they are saying, they just haven’t taken the care to exclude the “we are proud of the US since only 1/5 of us want to take Canada”. In a situation like this, you’d expect more care. And this isn’t a slight one off, it’s very common type of comment for commentary about the US, particularly domestically.
All they had to do was swap these paragraphs and it would help the implication:
Only 17 per cent of respondents said they want Canada to be a U.S. territory or state. That number climbed slightly to 23 per cent of respondents who want Greenland to become a U.S. territory or state.
U.S. President Donald Trump has been aggressively pursuing an expansionist agenda during his second term.
Far better to be explicit and state what you mean:“17 per cent of respondents said they want Canada to be a U.S. territory or state, indicating low domestic popularity”. But even then, for an international audience that is a horrifyingly large amount of domestic support that if aligned with similar issues tends to include roughly 1/10 Democrats so any sort of “its just MAGA” is lies to help feel less bad about countryman.
Seriously, what are you doing defending this sort of indifference to clarity, and collateral insults, when discussing a head of state and country this egregious?
And saying 66% don’t want the USA to annex Canada as if that’s in any way a reassuringly low number.
17% of Americans are abjectly stupid
It’s at least 2x-3x that statistic. They are just even more ignorant or uninvolved in life outside of their small town.
This is questionable. Partially because the knuckle draggers who support trump largely wouldn’t know what the word annex means.
That’s why it’s not that magical 33%
70% of Americans believe in angels. If you take the extreme end of that statistic you can just insert any crazy belief.
I want Canada, Denmark, or almost anyone else to annex the US west coast.
Maybe Canada could trade Alberta with the US in exchange for Oregon, Washington, and California.
Considering you can get 30% of americans to agree with anything on a poll, 17% must be like the amount of americans who think like “autonomous” means “automobile maker” or something and are too embarrassed/overconfident to ask for clarification.
That is the amount of people we will have to disenfranchise when this is over. Probably just limit their rights to vote or enter in to a contract. Make sure they have no authority over anyone, especially a minor. The enemy of peace and stability has exposed themselves in the US and we have to render them harmless.
These are clearly people with untreated traumatic head injuries. It would make sense to provide these people with better healthcare and reintroduce them into society when they can understand words or communicate that they don’t understand words.
Where in the world do you arrive at head injury? These people lack empathy and any moral compass. They are of low intellgence. The are just mean and they spread hate and pain with anyone they contact. They create chaos and sow discord.
One of the main side effects of head injuries is uncontrolled anger.
What percentage want another country to take over the US? If that question isn’t in that survey then its meaningless. Which it probably still would be no matter what. Most surveys target certain demographics to get the answers they want.
17% of Americans have read ‘Night Probe’ by Clive Cussler and think it’s a history book.
doubt
