• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    Doesn’t matter if trump sets the precedent.

    The DNC kicked neoliberals out of the chair last year, and Martin has been giving all the money stolen from state parties via the “victory fund” back to the state parties this whole time

    Holding that money and hanging it above the state’s heads is how the neoliberals maintained power.

    That’s gone, been gone…

    We won’t get a neoliberal candidate forced down our throats this time, we’ll get a candidate that Dem voters actually want, and they’re fucking tired of maga getting away from this shit and want someone actually willing to hold them accountable asap.

    And without that money hanging over state parties heads, our next set of congressional leaders will similar not be neoliberals who fight progress harder than MAGA.

    It’s like we’re up 250-0 in the first quarter. The battle for the party is over, progressives won. We just have to wait for the clock to run down, unless we can pressure neoliberala to resign now so they can be replaced in special elections ahead of primaries.

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        The oligarchs will try, but they don’t control the DNC, so it’s just gonna be billionaire owned media saying Newsom is great, and that’s not going to change anyone’s minds. They’re also pay for bots and bad actors to try and convince people on social media that voting in Dem.primaties are useless…

        Like, I kind of feel like you not only are ignorant of what’s been happening with the party, but you literally didn’t read anything you just replied to.

        Unfortunately it’s hard to tell if you just incapable of understanding this, or if there’s another reason you want people to disnegage from the Dem party as soon as we clawed it back from the oligarchs

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          I don’t believe minor changes will be enough to shake entrenched power. A huge number of the Dem’s voting base (and the sway votes they’ll need to win) are disengaged and will only check in around October while living the rest of their life tacitly ameliorated to mildly annoyed–the perfect marks for a handsome, put together, well spoken candidate who can claim to have experience running the 4th largest economy in the world.

          Newsom’s got baggage, but not Adams or Cuomo level baggage. With moneyed interests behind him it’ll be enough to sway the right people and shove him down our throats.

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            I don’t believe minor changes

            The chair of the DNC…

            Who has full and total control over the party, and is accountable to absolutely no one, even the voting members if the DNC that appointed them to the four year term…

            Is a “minor change”?!

            What the actual fuck would you consider a major change? Even a moderate change?

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              I think moneyed interests will outcompete progressive will. It doesn’t matter to voters who the chair is if they’re still seeing more ads for Newsom all throughout the primary and electoral seasons. I don’t think the DNC is gonna pull a reverse Hillary and force Newsom out if their base is promoting him in the primaries and I think their base is gonna promote him in the primaries.

              I hope you’re right, I really do. I just don’t think it’s enough.

              There’s still an inordinate amount of money in politics, a huge number of people that aren’t paying attention, a continued misunderstanding in how government works, and misattribution to what the President’s authority is enough that many people only vote on leap years. There’s also too many ideological purists that refuse to vote out of misguided fears that it constitutes an endorsement of the system or that it’s ineffective thereby ceding their opportunity to influence to stalwart Dems and waivering centrists.

              The right has been working since desegregation to secure their political power and neoliberal ideologies have become a mainstay since the energy crisis. A couple of terrible terms isn’t going to be enough to break the ratchet and usurp decades of established power in one election–even if the chair of one of the parties is different now.

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                I think moneyed interests will outcompete progressive will

                That’s wild…

                You think ad spending would be enough to make a neoliberal popular?

                What are you basing that on? Because it’s not the last dozen plus years of reality…

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                  Popular enough to win the general election? No. Popular enough to win primaries because the vast money/media coverage imbalance meant he was the only candidate many of the voters had heard of? Yes.

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              The proof is in the pudding and we haven’t seen a damned thing change with the DNC since he took over. Your claims are the same box full of false future promises we’ve seen from the DNC for decades.