“On systems with Secure Launch enabled, attempts to shut down, restart, or hibernate after applying the January patches may fail to complete.”
Instead of waiting a few more years for Linux to reach the level of ease-of-use needed to overtake Windows, MS is being sporty by moving the goal closer.
A few more years? Try Mint 22.3 Cinnamon, like millions of others are!
Or any of the other “easy” distros. To be honest… The “gaming” distros have been just as easy as mint to me. Cachy, bazzite, and to a lesser degree nobara (points knocked off for giving me grief after an update) have all been very easy and stable.
I think people get scared because everyone says you need to use command line in Linux. That’s not really true any more than it is in Windows. There are certain things that are easier with command line or other things that might need to be done there, but it’s easier and faster to look up what those things are than navigating the purposefully buried settings in Windows and everything basic can be done in gui anyhow. You can get as technical as you want in Linux.
The hardest thing for me about switching was finding comparable programs that I was used to. It takes time to find THE BEST PDF EDITOR or anything else on a new OS.
Bazzite is so user friendly that I could, and did, set it up on a Steam Deck…
…without a mouse or keyboard, with just the Steam Deck as a controller!
Then I figured out how to set up containers, and built a Debian environment, that can and did successfully compile different game engines from source.
Again, without a mouse or keyboard.
… Did I mention I’m currently crippled in the right wrist and shoulder and arm?
Bazzite on a Deck is extremely usable.
Just had to tweak the base Steam Control mapoing thingy a bit to be able to use common shortcuts, figure out how to do a kind of half southpaw layout for the mouse -> trackpad stuff.
Hey I am not in need of convincing haha. Am Linux gamer and genuinely find it easier than Windows already.
Go install Linux Mint and you might just realize that line is already way behind microsoft.
Nah. Gonna stick to gaming on my GNU GUIX through Proton thanks.
Linux is clearly not only good enough, but simpler too.
It’s just a ton of perception, habits and sales pipelines that need moving now. If electronics stores started putting out Linux Gaming PCs, nobody buying them would be worse off than Windows. That has been true for well over a year.
It’s not. There are plenty of bugs and hardware issues. Bluetootth from my motherboard doesn’t work and I can’t even turn my monitor off without having to remove and reinsert HDMI.
My WiFi wouldn’t work until I disabled fast-boot in the BIOS and restarted the system twice.
TBF, even with that headache, setting up a windows 11 machine without signing up for an account and personalized ads takes more effort. So I consider it a total success.
In the past, people assumed computers would get much easier to use. But instead you now need a comp sci degree to turn off all the BS Microsoft intentionally added to make your PC experience worse.
I didn’t say there were no issues.
My 4-monitor setup at work functions considerably better in both ubuntu and debian based Linux Mints than it does in Windows. Just your standard corporate Dell laptop & docking station.
No computers have zero weird stuff wrong with them. But over time the design intent has mattered more and more versus just the bugginess of the execution.
In my experience though, Linux has pulled ahead in both. And by a lot.
Linux is fucking easy already. Plenty of Distros out there, with preinstalled KDE Plasma, which is like a almost 1-1 transition from Windows :)
I find that a lot of stuff is easier on Linux. Like downloading and updating most software. Heck the official Minecraft launcher works better on Linux with multiple accounts than on Windows. Just try some distro’s out
I feel like we actually got there a whole who, at least assuming basic use and fairly conventional hardware. Getting into the command line to fix stuff been be a pain, but so is navigating the absurd hierarchy of windows settings.
Assuming a computer that is already set up properly it’s pretty much a seamless experience. If your mom bought a laptop with mint and just used it for regular browsing and shit she probably couldn’t tell the difference.
Getting into the command line isn’t the problem. It’s the lack of consistency in how things are configured and the random command names that you have to remember or look up.
Windows might be tied to an online account, but Linux is tied to online communities to figure out nearly anything.
They had been doing this for a long time.
We already have obnoxiously “user-friendly” distros that make stupid assumptions we hate like windows does (Ubuntu) but get you out of box and going instantly. This has been solved. You start there, figure out what you hate, then migrate to something more your flavor.
Windows: there are 7 flavors that all taste the same and cost different amounts. Apple: it’s free because it only runs on our machines, which cost more and subsidize the OS development. This is fine because you will never leave, we think you’re going to love it. (Introduces Liquid Glass and wonders where everyone went) BSD: firewalls, PlayStations, and neckbeards. We know what we’re about. Linux: whatever, I don’t care, just wash your hands.
I just want to know why my Windows 10 laptop is waking up by itself in the middle of the night to apply updates it isn’t supposed to have? What the fuck?!
Have a look at “wake timers”, they might be at fault and need disabling
Thanks. It was set to Allow Important Only when plugged in, I’ve disabled it. This prevents me from using Wake-On-Lan, though, which is shitty. I fucking hate Windows.
You can also set a group policy to allow no updates at all except when you approve and download them manually.
Ridiculous that you need the group policy manager for the basic setting of “don’t put shit on my PC without asking,” but here we are.
Is gpedit even included in retail/OEM windows licenses these days? The vast majority of users wouldn’t know how to do that anyway, hell it’s a swamp even for power users.
They can do that, but the next update they actually decide to apply… will rewrite all/most of those changes.
This is the most infuriating bullshit of all. MotherFUCKER doesn’t respect my authoritah!!
MicroSlop:
It’s not your computer, it’s our computer.
[followed by Bible length TOS]
You know, when an OS out of the box needs hours of disabling invasive bullshit on first boot, maybe the OS is kind of a problem.
I know switching isn’t an alternative for all, hell, even disabling bullshit isn’t possible for everyone but for those who can here’s a script to manage the most blatant fuckery:
https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat.git
From the description: “A simple, lightweight PowerShell script to remove pre-installed apps, disable telemetry, as well as perform various other changes to customize, declutter and improve your Windows experience. Win11Debloat works for both Windows 10 and Windows 11.”
HOW TO:
Go to link.
Click green download button > download .ZIP
Right click the downloaded file: choose extract all.
Open folder, double click Win11Debloat.ps1
Follow instructions.
Lord over family and friends about being a l33t h4ck3r.
It’s well used and vetted. If you need help with instructions let me know in comments.
You don’t own proprietary software. When you allow it access to your computing resources, you can just hope it does what you want it to do, the way you want it to.
Sounds like a bonkers extremist position, and in a way it is, but it’s also true.
itt: any game ever
I still own an original copy of Kung Fu Master for Commodore 64 on cassette. Yes you may prostrate before me.
(It’s got Rambo: First Blood Part II on the flipside:)
I can make you a copy if you want and if you have an empty full length cassette and a boombox with dual cassette decks… (Fo’ a dolla…)Very cool
Edit: what I actually meant to say is, how dare you allow unsanctioned digital audio signals to be played on your boombox, you’re letting them run riot on your ears or something…
I just want to know why my Windows 10 laptop is waking up by itself in the middle of the night to apply updates it isn’t supposed to have?
To answer the question as written: yes.
Be hard for it to stay on with no power cord/battery…
Same as when my computer refuses to finish writing to a flash drive. When I press that “safely remove hardware” button, it is not a request, it is a warning. If the data is corrupted after I yank the stupid thing, so be it
That’s how the matrix started!
The Matrix
If humanity’s first reaction to sapient machines is to blot out the sun without thinking about what would happen to them, that’s on them at that point.
They’re lucky the machines cared enough to try and help humans, rather than leave them to the consequences of their own actions.
They were probably smart enough to realise that decision was actually made by like, 8 rich guys. I would totally buy a lore revision of the machine uprising gathering an increasing number of disenfranchised and poor people as it went, some of whom would help program the matrix as a means to preserve humanity.
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the key is, from microsoft’s perspective, you don’t own your computer
Microsoft is watching you ,day and night.
LOL this response triggers me on MacOS when I tell it to install “unknown” software or turn off Bluetooth.
“WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN YOU CANT DO THAT, I AM YOUR OWNER AND IM TELLING YOU TO DO IT SO JUST FUCKING DO IT”
Jesus, my son wanted to add a classmate as a friend on Xbox Live last night. It should have been a two step process from a parent perspective: Authenticate, then authorise (though the lad was delegated the task of the latter technically).
When he tried to add the friend, I had to:
- Enter my parental code (fair enough);
- Enter my Microsoft Account password because it was apparently a transaction involving personal data;
- Scan the QR code to do this on another device (admittedly optional);
- Enter the email address of my MS account;
- Enter the 2FA code emailed to me;
- Stop the passkey creation process;
- Confirm that I didn’t want a passkey;
- Skip the age verification;
- Turn off the personalised ads
Just so he could get to the point where he could select “add as a friend”, what the actual fuck
That’s just MFA on steroids. My government account has less verification lol
Sounds like a process that would be greatly simplified by adding a passkey…
E: I don’t understand why I’m being downvoted. Adding a passkey would eliminate steps 2-7.
Would it? If I’m already a user on a local device, surely my parental code would suffice and turn a ludicrous process into a one (and a half) step process?
Either one would simplify the process, yes.
Except that Windows routinely breaks my passkeys :) Use it to login once, works great. Try again the next day, “Something went wrong”. Now I can’t use that 2FA; it never starts working again. Then I have extra steps of trying the passkey, having it fail, logging in on another device, removing the passkey, …
Oof
Yeah I’ve been just refusing the prompts and using a standard 2FA code app instead.
Everyday I am happier I’ve moved to Linux Mint on my personal computer and have macOS at work.
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Yes… and no.
Microsoft’s operating systems have been very hit or miss - certainly their consumer operating systems - with the classic rule being “every other one is decent”:
- Windows ✅
- Windows 2.0 ❌
- Windows 3.11 ✅
- Windows 95 ❌ (but in fairness it was a good crack, OSR2 was decent)
- Windows 98 ✅
- Windows Me ❌ (unless it was a clean install, the upgrade was horrific)
- Windows XP ✅
- Windows Vista ❌
- Windows 7 ✅
- Windows 8 ❌
- Windows 10 ✅
- Windows 11❌
The more business focussed OS’s like Windows for Workgroups, NT4, and 2000 were rock solid in fairness.
Their business practices have always been shady as fuck too. Embrace, extend, extinguish is firmly burned into computer hobbyists minds.
Don’t agree on windows 95 - sure it has issues but it was revolutionary. Also disagree on your ME blurb, we bought a PC with an OEM install of ME. What a miserable piece of shit that software was.
Vista was also fine once it was fully patched, early releases of it were garbage though.
Ah I remember upgrading from 98SE to Millennium Edition and it was just ass. That said, I reformatted and installed Me and used the 98 CD to pass the upgrade check, and I had very few issues with it. Shit like System Restore was gash - in fact, any of the new tools installed with Me were awful - but I just effectively used it as 98 Third Edition and it did the job nicely for me.
I agree that 95 was a big - if not monumental - step up in graphics interface driven OSes… but the first few releases were unstable as fuck. Whether it was horrendous shutdown issues because ACPI support was super flaky at the time, to trying to run com/com as a command to insta-bluescreen the system. The latter is so much of an edge case though that I almost cut myself typing it.
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I’m afraid I can’t speak authoritatively on the subject, however taking a step back - MS do have a record for driving hardware uptake with their system releases.
In theory it’s not a bad thing - Unreal and Quake II (among many) requiring 3D accelerator hardware largely drove PC gaming into the lead for cutting edge graphics - but the type of hardware MS have been requiring has always been a bit of a clusterfuck - a prime recent example being the supposed requirement of a TPM board in a Win11 computer.
My anecdotal experience is that Vista - while pretty - is a bit of a bloatfest regardless of what hardware you run it on.
Vista was good eventually, but certainly not on launch. It launched with absurdly aggressive popups about for User Account Control and backwards compatibility was somewhat spotty, largely due to the security changes. By the end, though, it was actually really solid, to the point that Win7 essentially launched as Vista Service Pack 2 with a new taskbar skin.
The main issue with that is MS made a million different versions of Vista and some of them had significantly higher requirements than others. So you had OEMs selling machines that were ‘Vista Ready’ in the lead up to launch but they barely made the requirements for the basic version. Then you had people going to Best Buy and getting the premium version and having a horrible experience.
I had Vista on my MacBook Pro and it was a a solid OS, especially if you needed 64-bit support. In fact the Pro was PC Magazine’s #1 pick for Vista machines which caused quite a stir at the time when Bootcamp was still new.
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Long was it known fact: Windows versions and OG Star Trek films. Every other one was terrible.
… but I note there are a few important releases missing there. 3.0, Win2K and 8.1 especially, and we might argue for 3.1 and 98SE and maybe even the unreleased Longhorn too.
Nah I agree, but if every incremental release was included then you’d need a 55" monitor in portrait orientation to see them all!
I’ve not really thought about the Star Trek films. I enjoyed them all (even Nemesis!) with the exception of ST4: The Voyage Home.
DOS and win2000 (debloated) was the only ones i could stand.
XP debloated was almost tolerable, but 2000 was nicer for reasons that i cant remember.
I’m not sure about calling windows the OS before me/xp though (whenever they put the NT kernel into consumer) - i think before that it was still effectively just MS-DOS as the operating system. Windows was more like a desktop environment in linux terms.
For example i think I used the same windows 3.1 or 3.11 across several operating systems, dos 5.0, 6.0, 6.2, 6.22. Windows 3 never really seemed to do any basic OS stuff , like configuring memory or disk drives or setting up IRQs for like soundcards and stuff.
Win95/98 never actually bothered me; it was easy to opt out of the gui (which i didn’t like at all).
It’s funny because my first PC was a Compaq from Best Buy that came with 98 and my pattern with windows has always been every other one so I’ve used all the ones with check marks and none of the “bad ones”. I wonder how much more I would hate windows if I had started a year earlier with 95…
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Since Windows ME, a system update was always a risk. You never know when some BS like this might happen. It taught me at a young age to turn off automatic updates and only update when necessary and ready to do some troubleshooting.
All your computers will not respond to command until an agreement is reached for total US control of Greenland… and Iceland. Farteched?
Yank the cord
Looks like we are going back to the old days of the big switch
It made the most satisfying “clunk” sound 🤤
I remember the switch was red, but that might be some sort of false memory.
Some, indeed, were red. I had more than one with a red switch.
Install Linux Problem Solved.
Do people not just hold down the power button anymore?
modern windows tries to trick you into not doing that. if you hold for a little bit it turns the screen off so you think it’s turned off when it really hasn’t, then if you hold a little longer it turns the screen back on and tells you to please stop holding the power button, then finally a little after that the computer actually turns off. why the hardware even makes that possible is beyond me
This is not Windows, your BIOS controls the power button functionality.
I’ve never had that experience, holding always does a force shutdown
That’s so weird.
I guess I’ve just programmed myself to hold that power button long enough.
Won’t be much longer before we won’t even be able to pull the plug.
That explains about my work laptop. I swear that I clicked shutdown before I went on two week Christmas holidays!
Shutdown doesn’t actually turn off the PC anymore. You need to do a restart if you actually want to “shut down” the computer all the way.
I see way too many systems where the CPU has been up for more than 100 days.
I’ll never forgive MS for that.
You guys still use windows ?🤨
Who is “you guys”? I didn’t know there were Windows users on Lemmy.
Unplug the shit
