Just because an account got verified doesn’t mean Bluesky agrees with them
They shouldn’t be allowed onto the platform at all. Don’t verify them, ban them.
I’d rather the platform not be in charge of who’s allowed to use it. Yeah ICE sucks, but that’s not for the platform to decide.
If they break the rules of the platform, that’s a different story.
The platform is always in charge of who’s allowed to use it. They already ban people and censor certain types of speech. This is a discussion about where the line is, not if its been drawn at all.
They ban people for actions they take outside the platform?
Go and post about your plans to grab a few of your armed buddies and go terrorize, beat, and even kill some minorities and see if you’re allowed to keep your account.
Narrator: in fact they did agree with them, for the money was green and did flow and in the end that was all that mattered to them
Mastodon was always the only real choice
You know what sends a message you don’t agree with someone? Banning their arses.
You know what implicitly shows you agree with someone? Not stopping them, and ensuring they’re legitimised by your system.
What BlueSky is now is a
NaziICE bar.It means that a little more than it means they disagree with them.
ICE are masked jackboot thugs illegally deployed to our streets by a psychopathic rapist to punish people who don’t vote for him. If there is ever a time to resist tyranny….
“Welcome. Let’s see what you have to say” is not an appropriate reaction to their presence.
Who the fuck cares if “they” agree with them or not.
ICE is a fascist appendage and should not be allowed on any “public discourse” platform.
ICE could easily make an account on Mastodon, would they get pissed if that happened too?
They could, however…
Mastodon is made of lots of instances, nobody wants to be the instance with ICE on it. If they make their own instance or the government makes their own, they can be defederated by whatever instances wish to.
That’s the difference, you can kick Ice out of your federated servers. You can’t do that with bsky.
Individuals could still block them, no?
yes
In theory yes. In practice? Say ice gets on the big main instance (like 90% of the users does anyway, would be my guess). The admins on this big main instance will allow the ice account to exist. Now what? Everyone defed with the big main instance? It will blow up the entire fediverse or nothing will happen and the last 10% will sit in their small fedi silos being tankies and talk about how America is a pedo nazi state (sorry about that last rant but jesus christ everything turns political on Lemmy from the first comment on nearly every post).
Bluesky is made of lots of instances as well. More people should move off bsky.social.
Check myatproto.social, bsky.global and https://atprotify.me/
Mastodon can have instancewide ban, I am pretty sure any instance which allowed ICE would get the whole instance banned, and with it all the users leaving to any other one
I could never get used to that sort of app. Be it Twitter, bsky, or even mastodon. If I follow people, my feed gets so much content that I consider spam.
Say, there is a person that is awesome and occasionally posts interesting things. But also posts random spammy stuff, like “just took a shower. I feel so clean!”. Why am I wasting my time reading that sort of content?? I think there are 0 people in the world from which I want to read 100% of their content. Maybe very very very few. So, it doesn’t make much sense to follow people, and then waste hours scrolling content about which I don’t care.
I could follow tags, but they still get so much spam and so I still have to scroll and scroll…
It is just not for me.
I think it’s the whole parasocial relationship thing, where you think you’re close friends with someone who doesn’t know your name.
I hate Twitter style platforms. I truly don’t get it. I can see how it makes people addicted to the endless scroll and fomo though.
Hasn’t these microblog services not just become an outlet for famous people i.e. actors, singers, models, politicians, influencers etc. and even government to post stuff? In some countries even the police use these platforms to communicate to the public even before using other outlets.
Its getting harder and harder to find a bar not full of Nazis
If you think about it, the USA is a Nazi bar.
It’s not though
There are Nazis in America and rather than leaving the “bar”, Americans stick around.
Yes, there are Nazis all over the world. That wasn’t your initial point. You said that America is being filled up with Nazis. I dont like MAGA not Nazis, but I do have the cognition needed to understand that MAGA and Nazis aren’t the general population in America. I don’t know why you have the need to spread this fear and lies.
You said that America is being filled up with Nazis.
No I didn’t.
Yeah, you’re right. Maybe we can go door to door and ask some questions to verify who is and who isn’t a Nazi. Then, once satisfied, we can group them into camps for easier management - away from common society.
Does that sound good so far?
Just like Europe I guess?
Host your own, connect with others that you like, block those you don’t, filter your own bubble, live with the consequences.
You mean Jack Dorsey? He left in 2024 and deleted his account. He still gave Trump and Musk a platform, though so I have no doubt he would have approved this if he still was with Bluesky today.
Jack Dorsey is an example of how the dumbest man can fall upwards by being backstabby as fuck.
It’s useful for them to have a presence because it helps drum up anger at them. Did you see the shit on twitter where the official twitter of DSHS posted a pic of a tropical paradise with the caption America after 100 million deportations? Notably nobody believes there are 100M undocumented immigrants or even 100M immigrants period. 100M is the number of non-white people in America.
They literally said America will be great after we implement the final solution to the brown people problem. Hard to beat them calling themselves nazis. I say let them speak. Let people hear their hate so nobody has any illusions about who we are up against.
Does it not just let people redirect rage which could be real-world action into mean internet comments?
I’m not convinced this is so I think it takes so little to make a comment I don’t think one can equate one to the other
Wellllll… In principle verification is not in itself an endorsement by the platform
In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentationIn practice, I don’t fucking care, abolish ICE, fuck everyone who bows to them, platforms aren’t obligated to be the mouthpieces of clearly fascist governments
In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentation
Why?
I mean, you can’t really have accounts, pretending to be the president of the US, making joke tweets, and having people believe them. In that sense, verification is reasonable.
But yeah, Bluesky shouldn’t be letting these freaks anywhere near their platform
I say verify ‘em and then ban ‘em. “This is the real account, and it can really fuck off.”
If the platforms are (or pretend to be) politically neutral, then that’s what they should do - just make sure the accounts that are being created are what they’re being purported to be.
As I said, that’s bare minimum. Next comes a lot of risk mitigation. Some common sense risk mitigation.
So ICE can’t get an account on Mastodon?
They can and should make their own instance. And we can defederate them.
“We” being individual mastodon admins who each choose if they think the server should be defederated or not? That sounds good.
As for bluesky, what they’re doing makes sense for a global non-federated site. Allow anyone to make an account, and allow them to post as long as they don’t break the rules. If a user doesn’t like that organization they’re free to block or mute them. Anything else and you’re asking bluesky to draw an arbitrary line somewhere. If they forbid ICE from creating an account, which government entities are allowed? FBI? National Weather Service? FDA? POTUS? Supreme Court? Federal Reserve?
I would bet if you say bluesky should ban “problematic” accounts and asked 100 people which accounts should be banned, you’d get 100 completely different answers. Just use your own judgment and your own block button.
Not on any public-facing instances.
I think there’s a lot which would tolerate them unfortunately
Yes, but being on an instance is half the job. If 90% of other instances defederate from yours, you’re kind of left shouting into the void.
That account is not visible on Bluesky now.
odd that their username is
@icegov.bsky.socialinstead of@ice.gov… i guess nobody on their social media team knows how to configure a DNS record or create a.well-knowntextfile.Still, they could just put a file containing a string at /.well-known/atproto-did
You clearly have never worked for .gov. Not a technology problem. Process problem.
I can’t find icegov on Bsky
Must already be on a moderation list I’m subscribed to
EDIT: Yep. It is.
It should say fediverse, not mastodon. Other than that, yeah, expecting a billionaire to suddenly care about people is a fool’s errand
Genuinely, what billionaire? Who are you referring to?
Bluesky’s CEO is Jay Graber who also owns 40% of the company, the largest ownership share. She has a net worth of $5million.
So again, who is this ”billionaire” that you and everyone else in the comments is referring to?
Lots of people think Jack Dorsey owns Bluesky
tbf Lemmy is just Reddit in its infancy.
Not sure how a decentralized platform can be controlled by a single entity. Maybe lemmy.world, but not Lemmy itself.
The lives of people that care about the issues are spent switching services as previous ones enshitify themselves in order to get an extra buck and/or please the dear leader. I feel like I’m always switching some kind of service.
- It’s the same fucking Billionaire, Jack Dorsey made/whatever Twitter, and then he made/whatever Bluesky.
- This is the same fucking thing as the windows/mac switch from the 00s. If you want an alternative to fucking windows, linux exists and existed back then too. But it’s the same, the masses want the corporate bullshit, just the “New and improved!” version becoming trendy.
Linux is barely becoming a viable everyday option now, switching to it in the 2000s was not gunna work for most people. Glad it’s picking up steam but c’mon.
Linux wasn’t consumer friendly until Ubuntu, Mac was an obvious alternative for average consumers in the early 00s. These things only pick up traction when the average user finds value in it. It’s literally about the lowest common detonator user. That’s just how consumerism works.
Yeah, so since the user isn’t more knowledgeable then they deserve to stick with the shitty standard instead of buying a fashion product and being elitists about it.
If they wanted to be elitists they could have “switched” to Linux.
Jack Dorsey didn’t make bluesky, was on their board of directors briefly until he ragequitted because they started moderating content
"jack Dorsey “whatevered” twitter, then he "whatevered " blue sky.
All to further the regimes’ propaganda.
