i would hope every new version of wine runs windows apps in linux and mac better than ever.
Patch notes: “Made the app a little worse just to keep things interesting.”
That’s the Microsoft strategy, but they forgot to make it better sometimes too
The Microsoft strategy often seems to be “It worked well, but we completely redid it because we need to justify out existence. Now it barely works with new bugs”
That’s more Google’s strategy. Microsoft is more “we updated a bunch of stuff so that we could push our products and services even harder and closed workarounds people are using to avoid them, and if you don’t like it, fuck you, what’re you gonna do?”
Wine 1.1, now with AI integration
At this point, and given the current state of Proton (👍) and the current state of Windows (👎), the question should be, “Does the new version of Wine run Windows apps better than Windows?”
Yes. It can run classic gaming that windows outright refuses to run. Wild
Yes. Especially if said application was developed before 2010.
Proton works nicely in steam
Non steam games is an entirely different complicated issue (for some games)
Heroic works great for pirated hentai games and GOG games.
Epic and GOG work on Heroic just fine and I’ve run two standalone games (Elite Dangerous and ESO) using Lutris with no problems.
What kind of complicated issue? Simply adding them as non-steam games seems to work fine. I’ve managed to get jank ass pirated 90s visual novels running, fan-patched, on a steam deck lmao
I misread the title at first and I genuinely thought that’s what this article was about.
“Fastest iphone ever!” Yea I’d sure hope so being that it’s new and all
on average that’s the expected outcome, but sometimes there’s a regression here and there for specific apps
The next headline is going to be that they run better in wine than in windows.
We’re close to the Microsoft ecosystem here; newer version being better is not a given.
It still probably doesn’t run two applications that I like to use, that is paint.net and the latest free version of SketchUp (unavailable for download officially).
Yeah, I think that’s the entire point of having a new version lol
Bugs and forced regressions?
I misread that as “Win 11 runs Linux and macOS apps better than ever” and was ready to sarcastically point out that Linux runs Linux apps better too.
Contrarily, Win 11 does run Windows apps worse than ever
I mean, isn’t that kinda the goal…?
Windows 11 might be usable if it gets a wine port so it can run windows apps.
What about software outside of browsers of gaming? Lemmy talks about gaming a lot but it remains to be seen if working professionals are able to leave W11 behind
This is a funny take given that for most of Linux history, the majority of Linux desktop user have been “working professionals”, largely IT workers and developers to be fair.
At this point, you cannot really make a blanket statement about who Linux is appropriate for. It is down to individual use cases and preferences.
I have been using Linux for decades and, while I have also used Windows and macOS, other operating systems are frustrating to use due to the many limitations. And I have been several kinds of “working professional” over that time at many different levels of seniority. But I recognize that this is because all my workflows and expectations evolved on Linux.
The “working professionals” you imagine likely have the same issue. It is not that Linux could not work, or even that it is not a better place to start. It is document compatibility and familiarity.
At this point, Linux “being ready” comes down almost completely to a tolerance for learning and change. Nobody says you have to change of course. But working differently does not mean that something else does not work.
There are of course still some software gaps. CAD is not great on Linux (getting there). Print graphics professionals (people with CMYK workflows) will hit real roadblocks. Some debugging tools available on Windows are worth the productivity for certain workflows. Pro audio too I guess though this not my area. And “office document” users may encounter display inconsistencies when sharing documents depending on which features they rely on. Perhaps the latter is what you mean.
As for gaming, it depends on what titles you favour. Some Windows games play better on Linux. Some worse. And of course some not at all.
When choosing software for a company, I consider something that cannot work on the Linux desktop or through the cloud disqualifying. I can think of few cases where that has been the wrong decision.
Software outside of gaming usually has native alternatives, so unless you are forced by your employer to use a specific program it is less of an issue (since you are probably also forced to use Windows)
Sadly I had to abandon Linux as I had no way of getting the pen pressure for a tablet to work for Zbrush 2022. It’s an essential part of my workflow and there’s no Linux native version. Tried Wine and virtually every method possible but still couldn’t get it to work. Dual booting for one piece of software seemed silly. Really unfortunate that this was my deal breaker as I was really enjoying the experience.
Professionals left Windows decades ago
White collar professionals who spend their days developing and deploying software or working on compute infrastructure? Sure, some of them have been on Linux for decades. Although many big corpos love Windows and Microsoft products, so at best you’re going to have a foot in both worlds if you work at one of these companies.
Some admin jobs that don’t require bespoke software (ie very little beyond say an office suite) have started making the jump recently to save $$.
Basically every other white professional that needs to work on a computer with industry specific software like people in medical, engineers, business? Odds are they use windows since the software they use for their job is probably only built for Windows and maybe Mac if they’re lucky. Very few employers are going to mass deploy Linux to run applications via Wine. These employers have support contracts for the major software products their employees use and they won’t get support if they’re not running software on its native OS.
I’m a profesional software developer and my employer doesn’t let me use Linux.
Davinci works better in Linux. Vapoursynth mostly works better in Linux.
RAW photo editing is already horrible in Windows if you’re trying to do HDR. To be fair, it’s horrible in Linux too. As much as I hate it, they can’t touch Apple there.
See this post I just made: https://lemmy.world/post/41751454/21613633
iOS will render HDR JPEG-XL, AVIF and tiled HEIFs straight out of a camera; no problem. Heck, it will even display RAWs in the photo app. But it’s a struggle on Windows and Linux.
And if by “professional use” you mean “Adobe,” I view that in the same way as still being on Twitter. At this point, subjecting yourself to Adobe on Windows is something you should do through gritted teeth.
Professionals will be trapped forever in windows because of custom banking software.
I guess this isn’t really even “news” to Linux gamers now, but once in a while it’s nice to make an article about what constant progress has happened in a certain sphere. Certainly many people staying on Windows out of inertia blinked and missed it.
My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.
My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.
Good news! Your future hope is reality’s past!
Seriously though, who buys a copy of Windows for a custom built PC that they install Linux on? I’ve built a bunch of computers over the past decade or so and I haven’t purchased a copy of Windows since the early 2000s. And technically that was just an OEM licence that came with a laptop.
Who buys? Most of people :)
So you’re telling me that someone who builds a custom PC with the intention of installing Linux will go out and buy a Windows license?
I ment who build a custom PC. That’s reality bro.
My fervent hope is that, someday in the future, people can build a gaming PC and just forego Windows to save $100.
That’s what you said. And I’m not even sure what you mean by “I ment who build a custom PC. That’s reality bro.”
The reality is that a good portion of gamers either build their own systems or buy “custom built” systems from a company that builds them. It’s mainly only OEM manufacturers that include a Windows license, like HP, Lenovo, MSI, and generally laptops.
So ultimately there’s no scenario where your comment makes sense.
Ok maybe we have some misunderstanding here. My friend had internship in one computer store, where you could order custom built computers. The most of them were sold with windows license.
Maybe that changed, idk. But I see that many stores sell computers with Windows installed and they are custom builds.
I keep fingers crossed, because in past 5 years I tried to use Linux many times and it always ended with issue with graphic card drvers
I am just hoping the Steam Frame provides the foundation so that in the years to come I can get off Windows for VR development. Feel trapped right now.
All I want is to be able to run Adobe software on Linux properly. My work requires me to work with premiere and after effects all the time so the moment they run ok on linux I’ll be the happiest person!
All I want is to be able to run Adobe software on Linux properly.
Never going to happen. They are a horrible company that actively refuses to port anything to Linux.
There are other far superior options that do run natively on Linux. DaVinci Resolve is one, it works as both a NLE and a compositor and is objectively better than anything Adobe has to offer.
I totally agree with you. The problem is that the companies that I work with have all their pipeline built on Adobe ecosystem. Guess I need to find a new job.
Is it because Wine has improved, or because Windows has not?
Yes
If anyone has experience in running Fusion 360 on wine plz shout up, that’s the last thing I need to work out before switching to Zorin…
It’s better with something like Winboat (virtualized windows container) within your OS than something like Wine. This is the same case for other “We don’t support Linux officially and actively block it because fuck you” productivity applications like Adobe’s suite.
Personally, I moved from Fusion360 to FreeCAD instead, but I haven’t heard anything negative about the Winboat method.
Fusion works flawlessly for me in winapps (and I’m sure winboat), but it is s-l-o-w. I probably need to figure out GPU passthrough and it might be bearable… But I haven’t had much time to dedicate figuring it out.
There’s a couple of Lutris scripts, but the one that kinda worked for me was this https://github.com/cryinkfly/Autodesk-Fusion-360-for-Linux/
Depending on what you’re doing, check out Freecad. It’s still a bit buggy but ever since it hit 1.0 it’s been a lot better, and it runs natively on Linux
Yeah maybe this is the push to finally learn freecad!
Is there some reason you haven’t tried it yourself?
I only have one machine, so I wanna be confident it’ll work before messing around with new OSes
Run it on a usb stick
Windows aged like milk while wine is wine.
Good stuff Wine.
The only thing I need to run on windows now is for H&R block tax software. I wonder if I can try it with wine but I’m afraid of losing the activation license
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=6532
Looks like not great/no one has tried for a few years. I say give it a shot (far from tax season) and report back!
I’m glad I don’t really have any apps that require windows any more; apart from Affinity, which doesn’t run in wine that well, and foobar2000, which genuinely works so well in wine that I might as well forget that there’s no native Linux release.
I’ve replaced fb2k with DeaDBeeF entirely.
Tried that and it’s good, but foobar is so much more customisable.
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I beg to differ. Haven’t had a Linux-specific issue in many years, it just works.
I love Linux, I used to use it for a few years during the windows 8 era. I eventually went back to windows and it’s just been a comfier place to be for me. Everything works. Every game works with zero additional thought. I need to run CAD software for work and unfortunately integrate with Microsoft services for work.
I could possibly switch to Linux on my home theatre PC that i use in my living room because I use Kodi and browsers for media consumption and mostly game on it by using steam remote play to access games from my windows gaming PC. That might be something that I consider trying in the future.
Autodesk is also locking me into windows 😕
I’ve been gaming pretty much exclusively on Linux (and Steam Deck) for the last few years. No issues so far. What problems did you run into?
I exclusively use Geruda Linux. Things run better there than on windows.
