Lots of venture capital money behind it. I wonder how quickly the enshitification will begin.
The only Reddit alt I need is Lemmy.
Anything that takes users away from Reddit, and forces Reddit to compete, is a plus for me.
Competition is good. Also the less data Reddit has, the slower A.I. models can be trained.
That’s a fair point. Reddit has been openly hostile to its own users these past several years. It might help moderate that to have another alternative on the table, even if it too is a soulless corporate enterprise.
This is quite toxic attitude. You should focus on what’s good for you - not what’s bad for someone else.
Eh, what’s bad for capitalists is what’s good for the rest of us
But competition IS good for me.
If people start migrating to better experience and better communities, they’re going to have to step up to stop the bleeding.
Reddit can get away with making terrible user experiences and killing 3rd party solutions because no alternative has lured enough of their base away.
Idk, I think there are also legitimate arguments for piefed !
We can have both, thats allowed :)
(That was the point of my comment 😊)
What’s piefed? I looked at it and mostly saw lemmy instances.
It’s an alternative to Lemmy with some different features. Since it uses the same protocol under the hood, its instances federate with Lemmy. There’s more info on the differences here.
Haven’t tried piefed so I can’t say.
Doesn’t piefed have that controversial hardcoded blocklist? I’ve heard that meme communities and similar are filtered out using hardcoded keywords matched aganst community name.
Why hardcode this??? Imposing your preferences on everyone seems like a bad idea.
Piefed and Lemmy are basically the same thing on different websites
They’re all in the same network
I could go for a text only version of this
That’s what Usenet was.
yeah it was pretty good I was there
I miss it. SLRN and proper score file made it the best information tool on the internet back in the day.
That would be nice. It can probably be done by blocking images at the browser level. Wouldn’t be the same as a text only site though.
lemmy certainly scratches the doomer/black pill/commie itch in everyone
I’m starting to agree. Was a bit quiet and every other post oddly seemed to be about Linux when I first signed up, but now I really like it. I’ve decided to stay.
I felt this place was a ghost town when I first started - maybe 10 posts a day. Now, there is plenty to read. Partly due to me finding more communities and overall more people here.
This is a rerun, and the fediverse is better
The crossover I didn’t know I need
Reddit was the Digg replacement.
oh how the turn tables
EDIT: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
EDIT: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
shudder
How to get PTSD flashbacks in an instant.
This
Reddit existed long before Digg died, and was so much better before the Digg refugees streamed in.
Plus, Rose suggests Digg could use signals acquired from mobile devices to help verify members — for instance, the app could identify when Digg users attended a meetup in the same location.
Maybe I’m being paranoid, but this does not sound like a good thing for privacy.
“Hi! We’ve just noticed there are 2 other members of d/footfettish next to you, go say hi!”
Low key win for kink communities.
You are absolutely right about that. Passively detecting your location? Fuck that. We are getting into an era where bots are overwhelming and user verification is a valid topic to discuss. I think additional device permissions can be one element in that discussion. But this idea he popped off the dome is a miserable example of such.
Yeah… no. None of that sounds appealing.
‘Curbing toxicity with AI’ means a bot is going to ban you because it doesn’t recognise sarcasm.
And ‘new tech to verify your identity’ sounds like a privacy violation at best.
‘Verifying that you own a product before they let you post in its community’ is a complete lack of understanding of how people use places like this.
Digg can fuck right off.
While AI obviously is not perfect and is flawed in many ways, having AI sift through the torrent of comments and then flag problematic submissions for human review is likely going to be extremely effective with minimal false positives. Though I do say this as a person whose Reddit account is currently banned for 3 days for “inciting violence” because of a knife-based joke.
I got banned from reddit last week for “threatening violence” basically because my comment contained the word “die.” It wasn’t a verb.
Reddit is super aggressive with this shit now. If you say “Don’t drink bleach, that would kill you.” Their AI bullshit just sees “kill you” and bans you for threats.
Site is fucking useless, don’t even bother at this point. It’s mostly robots talking to other robots at this point anyway.
Meh. I got banned just for saying something about stabbing Donald Trump in the neck and watching him bleed out before alerting the staff of the Urgent Care I was waiting all day in. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ai flagging for human review is likely the best option.
The problem is that the humans reviewing things are biased, assholes with no sense of humor.
“I run faster with a knife!!”
Yeah, the verifying that you own a product thing is so dumb.
“Hey <insert product> community. I’m thinking about purchasing <insert product>, but I wanted to know if it can do X, Y, and Z.”
“your post has been deleted because you have not proven that you own <insert product>.”
Wow, it’s like they made Reddit even worse.
“Hi I wasn’t paid six dollars on Fiverr to post here” (does increase costs obviously but marginally for high-margin/volume products)
We left Digg for Reddit about 20 years ago because of enshitification, the same way we left Reddit for the Fediverse recently, there is no way I am going back to Digg!
I specifically remember the exodus from DIGG as the start of reddit sucking.
When was that? Based on life events I’ve reconstructed this timeline of my hangout sites
- late 1990s to mid 2000s was slahdot
- around 2006ish digg came into my life and was great for a some years. At least for memes and generic dopamining on funny pictures. I think I hung around until about 2014 or so, while spicing it up with cracked.com
- 2014ish 9GAG started having more of my type of content. After a few years 9GAG became just automated reposts of r/funny, and talking about that got you censored. Kinda like what reddit is doing now.
- 2017ish I switched to reddit, when 9GAG just became too embarrassingly bad.
- july 21st 2023 I started trying to figure out lemmy. BTW u/spez is a pedophile piss baby.
Maybe I was just trailing behind you others. Was I the one to ruin your experience? Why would you accuse me of that you insensitive clod? Anyway, in that case I’ll go eat crayons in the corner and shitpost on .ml
Interesting, I had my 9GAG phase around 2011-12. Never really used Digg, just saw the front page a couple times, then started dabbling in Reddit in 2015, then Lemmy in 2023 with the blackout protests. (I almost said those achieved nothing, but I think that’s probably when most current Lemmy users joined, so 🤷)
Sorry
-A Slashdot to Digg to Lemmy refugee
Same here 😂
What, Digg was before Reddit? Thought Reddit was the OG forum of the global internet.
Digg based the voting off of a simplified version of Slashdot’s. Except they let everyone vote. Reddit then took that concept and added user generated categories and user moderating.
Before Digg was Kuro5hin and Slashdot
I AM learning something New every day! Thanks!
They’re betting that AI can help to address some of the messiness and toxicity of today’s social media landscape. At the same time, social platforms will need a new set of tools to ensure they’re not taken over by AI bots posing as people.
“We’re banking on AI as a competitive advantage but also, here’s why it’s bad” is quite a business strategy
I really wanted to like it, but it’s already a right-wing cesspit. 🤷♂️ Maaaaaybe it’ll improve, now that it’s public, but I don’t have high hopes.
I know this place is just the opposite kind of echo chamber, but when the other option is being beaten over the head with transphobia and Maga shit, ehh, I’ll take it.
Reality has a liberal bias.
Lemmy has a communist bias.
The reality that people manage to share with others, perhaps. I think peoples’ inner worlds, internal feelings and emotions have likely shown changing trends of comprehension/awareness throughout our histories and likely through all of time. The nature of consciousness is far from deciphered, so it makes sense (to me) to interpret your reference to reality as the one that we all share, talk about, and know about thusfar (this is how I understood your definition of the term, when upvoting your sentimental statement)
Can I get that word salad with the dressing on the side?
People always talk about word salad like its a bad thing. Salad is good. Words must be the shitty part they are referencing, ig, idk. I see no way that two good things combined together could become a bad thing, but I always liked words so I don’t ever know what the haters are talking about
Word salad is what ‘generative’ ai does best.
I’ve read this six times and still have no idea what you’re trying to say
Language sux, make new ones (words, I guess, is the unit of measure or base unit here, since I think creating whole new languages from scratch without accidentally just mapping out an old language you already know well onto a new linguistic [phonetic?] structure would be difficult for groups of people to do, especially if they all had some shared language that they knew and that most of their ideas that they have learned were taught to them in that language, while they were all trying to creatively conceive of a new language to use amongst each other, even if they set out with an intention to try to not copy or carry over much or any of the previous languages rules, structures, patterns, etc. ). all I really did was try to explain why I was reluctant to upvote based on the necessarily ambiguous definitions of two of the key words in the initial comment. “Reality” was the one I chose to reflect upon and rant about, rather than “liberal”, because I think the attitude of trying to anthropomorphize a concept that none of us knows a perfect definition for, and there will likely be ongoing scientific and philosophical debate on the concept for centuries yet to come, is even more poetically dubious than claiming that all of existence somehow conforms to ones own personal expectation and not recognizing the dangers associated with various biases which might inform our current disposition towards concepts or issues which we have come to recently develop or consider within our working framework of understanding upon which we each may be standing for ourselves in order to maintain such an extracurricular style of dialogue.
Maybe put away the thesaurus.
If you attempt to slow down enough to touch grass, then try to tell a story describing that grass to someone who has never seen a living plant before, you might become frustrated at how little people care about grass when they don’t know anything about plants yet
Try to let it go and practice radical acceptance. What else has the slightest chance of you finding happiness? Do with this message whatever you will.
I just realize this may be read as more of a mental health tip in this context/ in response to my love hate relationship for extra unnecessary over the top vocabulary, rather than as a personal attack or critique of the whole argument/perspective. Maybe it is time to set the ol thesaurus down for a while, practice learning body language or spirit speak for a while in the stead of the dialogues.
rather than as a personal attack or critique of the whole argument/perspective
I don’t even know what your argument or perspective is. Verbosity is not a virtue.
practice learning body language or spirit speak for a while in the stead of the dialogues
If that’s the only alternative please stick with the word salads. It’s easier to ignore someone who talks too much than someone who assumes they know what someone else is thinking because they blinked wrong.
You mean the digg everyone ditched for reddit when they went insane? That digg?
I think some people don’t even realize that digg used to be way more popular than that very basic reddit thingy nobody used.Digg was started before reddit and I think reddit took the upvote idea and went with it. When digg switch to the new layout and then to the news only crap everyone went to reddit like I hope everyone will to the fedeverse. I use to watch the Screensavers and was there when Kevin Rose came on.
IMO it’s inevitable now that they’ve made it harder for users to customize their experience (API debacle). The site will have to change over time, and it will gradually piss people off. Eventually old.reddit will no longer be worth the cost to maintain.
No, they built a completely new product.
still the same company though. why trust them not to fuck it up like they did before?
It’s also not the same company. More than a few years have passed, and even though Kevin Rose is involved, you can assume a few lessons were learned.
So in any case they’ll fuck it up in an entirely new way. Or, maybe, they won’t.
Kevin Rose also left Digg at some point, not sure how much of that demise is on him. He had to buy it back for this second run.
He left after the collapse. He was very involved in the redesign, I remember listening to him talking about it on the TWIT podcast.
Ooohhh a venture capitalist social media platform! I wonder how and in how many overly creative and putrid ways that site will try and fuck me over, inside and out.
Yeah, hells no
Wasn’t a lot of their tomfoolery why people relocated to Reddit to begin with?
Someone will have to let me know because I’m not wasting my time there. I’m going to keep wasting my time here. It’s a fantastic waste of time
We left Digg for Reddit, then they enshitified Reddit so we went to the fediverse and now they want to bring Digg back. The turd just circles the toilet bowl endlessly.
Bc people keep putting money into it, thereby incentivizing the continuation of the never-ending cycle…
I dug Digg once upon a time. When they tried to undermine the power users, I found Reddit. Then Reddit enshittified. Now I got Lemmy. It’s where I want to be. No company behind it, milking the users.
Yep, I’m ready to read the news that this platform surpassed the user base of Lemmy on the first day and never looked back. And I am ready to not be bothered by it.
Good on them for any pain they inflict on reddit. And I do hope the fediverse takes over the global media landscape because that is better for humanity than corpo-governmental gatekeepers. But if Lemmy’s user base just hangs around in the tens of thousands rather than the tens of millions, I am content.
I disagree about being content with a small user base, I want more niche communities beyond News/Politics, Linux/FOSS, and memes.
I have mixed feelings.
On one hand, agreed @ wanting more variety in communities.
OTOH, Lemmy already has too much fucking politics. I don’t want whatever’s infecting reddit to become even MORE prevalent here. shudder
How much worse could it really become in terms of politics? It already feels like 60% of posts are politics, and jumps to 90% if you include the “Windows/Google/AI bad, use Linux/Librewolf/Selfhost” posts.
Well, I block posters and communities pretty quickly when I see politics. I already feel like I have to add to that list way too much. Worse would be “I can’t even click Next without needing to block another one”.
I hate the idea of “blocking” a user or community, to me I hear “block” and imagine a user who harasses me or posts actual spam, whereas someone who comments politics a lot might also comment non-political stuff I’d like to see, or if an event is big enough I could see cross posts in more niche communities. I wish there was a “show me less of this on the front page” option.
Yeah, I get that, like blocking should be an extreme step?
But for me it’s kind of a defensive measure. I feel political-flooded basically all the time online. There’s no respite, so I have to carve out what sanity I can.
Be the change you want to see in the world
Sorry for being off topic (from the article), but I have a little community of translators on lemmy.ca if you’re interested in niche communities.
Sadly that’s not one of my niche interests. But thanks for the offer!
Oh I want those things too. The current size of Lemmy is not my ideal. It’s just really really nice in its current form for me as a unique little nerdy place hidden in plain sight from what most of the internet has become.
It was more the juxtaposition of how the world needs all these open technologies that people band together to create for the good of all, buuuuut if nobody notices this particular one then that will serve my personal interests. And to be clear I’m not hoping for that or trying to hold it back. Just pointing it out. :)
My timeline was
Fark>Slashdot>Digg>Reddit>Lemmy
I don’t allow loops.
Pre-digg immigration OG reddit user here. The enshittification of reddit started when digg users joined en masse and flooded the site with advice animal memes and f7u13 macros.
As someone with a 20 year old Reddit account, I have to say I agree. The character of Reddit did change noticeably when digg users came over. And that’s fine. But it definitely happened.
Maybe now they can go back to Digg.
Again? This is like the 8th time they have announced this in the last 10 years.
I was gonna say this is at least Digg 3.0.
Wasn’t Digg 2.0 what “created” Reddit (or at least gave it critical mass) (along with the child porn obviously)
As far as I recall, that’s how it went.
Look at that, Digg-ing up the corpse of a horse just to beat it more.
