'93 here and I think the passage of the Patriot Act was a pretty important demarcation line, not just for abandonment of due process, but also when all the major networks embraced telling their audience who to hate.
Across a vast swath of the nation people were screaming for vengeance.
The idea of invading Iraq raised a few eyebrows but when we were overtly told that Saddam and Iraq were responsible in some way for 9/11, a LOT of people got on board. Like, more unity across America than I’ve ever seen in my life. People of all walks of life wanted war.
A couple years in, and there were no chemical weapons, no Osama, no nuclear warheads, and lots and lots of Americans started coming back in body bags, including National Guard members, that’s when the US started turning on the government and the war, but there was nothing that could be done, we were stuck by then and it went on and on and on.
The New York City alternative paper, The Village Voice ran two cartoons I remember.
One was a cover. Bush Jr. as Mickey Mouse in the sorcerer’s apprentice outfit. The big broom looked like Saddam and the little ones looked like bin-Ladn.
The other was Bin-Ladn and Saddam cast in a ‘buddy cop’ movie where they have to learn to get along to take down the bad guys.
It wasn’t that Bush was carried away by an unstoppable tide demanding war. Bush manufactured the ‘evidence’ and his people sold it hard.
If you have not seen it, you should watch the movie Wag the Dog, and check the release date on it after doing so. Phenomenal movie about government spin doctors.
In the book they specifically name Bush Sr. and Saddam. But the author says that the person he was most afraid of offending was the Hollywood producer…
I know all that, I was also there, I am saying that even with the marches and protests, there was still an overwhelming mandate among Americans, manufactured or otherwise, for blood.
I was born in 1982. I think I have a good excuse for thinking America went to shit, oh say, around the end of 2001.
Personally, my 20s sucked. My 30s were much better.
'93 here and I think the passage of the Patriot Act was a pretty important demarcation line, not just for abandonment of due process, but also when all the major networks embraced telling their audience who to hate.
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Funny thing. I was living in NYC on 9/11/2001. None of the people I knew thought that the Iraq Invasion was a good idea.
Across a vast swath of the nation people were screaming for vengeance.
The idea of invading Iraq raised a few eyebrows but when we were overtly told that Saddam and Iraq were responsible in some way for 9/11, a LOT of people got on board. Like, more unity across America than I’ve ever seen in my life. People of all walks of life wanted war.
A couple years in, and there were no chemical weapons, no Osama, no nuclear warheads, and lots and lots of Americans started coming back in body bags, including National Guard members, that’s when the US started turning on the government and the war, but there was nothing that could be done, we were stuck by then and it went on and on and on.
I was there. There were a lot of antiwar marches.
The New York City alternative paper, The Village Voice ran two cartoons I remember.
One was a cover. Bush Jr. as Mickey Mouse in the sorcerer’s apprentice outfit. The big broom looked like Saddam and the little ones looked like bin-Ladn.
The other was Bin-Ladn and Saddam cast in a ‘buddy cop’ movie where they have to learn to get along to take down the bad guys.
It wasn’t that Bush was carried away by an unstoppable tide demanding war. Bush manufactured the ‘evidence’ and his people sold it hard.
If you have not seen it, you should watch the movie Wag the Dog, and check the release date on it after doing so. Phenomenal movie about government spin doctors.
You should read the original book.
In the book they specifically name Bush Sr. and Saddam. But the author says that the person he was most afraid of offending was the Hollywood producer…
It was a good movie, too.
I know all that, I was also there, I am saying that even with the marches and protests, there was still an overwhelming mandate among Americans, manufactured or otherwise, for blood.
I was born in the mid 90s, and I feel like my experience of things going to shit in the mid 2010s is similarly justified.