President says national security adviser Mike Waltz, suspected of adding journalist to chat, ‘has learned a lesson’

Well Obama didn’t have these glitches in 8 years, and Biden didn’t have these glitches for a combined 12 years, so if your level of success is only two months, you’re a fucking failure

  • ThePunnyMan@lemm.ee
    2·
    6 days ago

    I don’t know about Obama, but let’s not forget Biden had classified documents stored in an old office. It was still not as bad as Trump storing documents in Mar-a-Lago and then denying it after he was caught. The incompetence of this administration is ridiculous, but let’s not pretend everything was perfect until Trump came along. It is incomprehensible how people in some of the highest offices are willfully mishandling classified information.

    • just_another_person@lemmy.worldOP
      5·
      6 days ago

      I think the big difference is Trump tried to ignore a direct government rule and take classified docs home and store them insecurely, then refused to give them back when asked to address the problem which prompted an FBI raid to reclaim.

      Biden was audited and returned what they asked for when asked.

      Kind of a drastically different situation.

      • futatorius@lemm.ee
        3·
        5 days ago

        The level of classification was also different. Trump had the highest, Biden the lowest. And it’s known that Trump was waving around classified materials in front of his cronies at Mierda Lardo, which Biden never did. And there’s circumstantial evidence that Trump had that material in order to disclose it to foreign powers.

        And Trump lied about it all when investigators asked for the documents back.

      • barneypiccolo@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        5 days ago

        No, the big difference is that the very few documents held by Biden and Pence (funny how the MAGA Nazis always forget Pence) were determined to be minor breeches, and totally accidental, and were voluntarily found and turned in before the authorities even knew about them. They even invited the authorities to come into their residrnces and search for more. They were handled in good faith.

        Trump DELIBERATELY gathered, and stole, hundreds of documents based on their value to our enemies (perhaps to order) with the intent to sell them. He denied having them, finally was persuaded to return them, but he only returned aportion of them, and forced his lawyers to sign an affadavit that they were all returned, and he held no more, which was a lie. Then he ordered his minions to move them around and hide them. Finally, the FBI was forced to raid the building to retrieve them, and some of the documents are still missing. Everything Agent Krasnov did was in bad-faith.

      • ThePunnyMan@lemm.ee
        2·
        6 days ago

        Absolutely. The disregard for government secrets is far more blatant here and in the Trump case and their actions after the fact are far worse. It doesn’t change the fact that there are rules for how classified information is to be handled and we have examples of Trump, his cabinet, Biden, Pence and Clinton disregarding those rules. For Clinton, Biden and Pence, at least I buy that it was a mistake and there is some remorse. They didn’t double down. It doesn’t change the fact that it shouldn’t have happened in the first place. Just because things suck now doesn’t mean that we should wish for things to just go back to how they were before. Better than Trump should not be the bar.

        • just_another_person@lemmy.worldOP
          3·
          6 days ago

          I believe that same audit said that every presidency going back to Nixon and excepting Carter had unaccounted for documents that were later recovered. That’s why the audits are done. The drastic diftin behavior surrounding a routine thing is the problem.

          Agree with the bar being extremely low though. Good point 🤣