A 13-year-old girl at a Louisiana middle school got into a fight with classmates who were sharing AI-generated nude images of her
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
Among the kids, the pictures were still spreading. When the 13-year-old girl stepped onto the Lafourche Parish school bus at the end of the day, a classmate was showing one of them to a friend.
“That’s when I got angry,” the eighth grader recalled at her discipline hearing.
Fed up, she attacked a boy on the bus, inviting others to join her. She was kicked out of Sixth Ward Middle School for more than 10 weeks and sent to an alternative school. She said the boy whom she and her friends suspected of creating the images wasn’t sent to that alternative school with her. The 13-year-old girl’s attorneys allege he avoided school discipline altogether.
So AI images of underaged nude girls being reported to police does not warrant any form of investigation?
The article states that the police investigated but found nothing. The kids knew how to hide/erase the evidence.
Are we really surprised, though? Police are about as effective at digital sleuthing as they are at de-escalation.
Unless they can pull out their gun and shoot at something or someone … or tackle someone … they aren’t very good at doing anything else.
The article later states that they continued investigating, and found ten people (eight girls and two adults) who were targeted with multiple images. They charged two boys with creating and distributing the images.
It’s easy to jump on the ACAB bandwagon, but real in-depth investigation takes time. Time for things like court subpoenas and warrants, to compel companies like Snapchat to turn over message and image histories (which they do save, contrary to popular belief). The school stopped investigating once they discovered the kids were using Snapchat (which automatically hides message history) but police continued investigating and got ahold of the offending messages and images.
That being said, only charging the two kids isn’t really enough. They should charge every kid who received the images and forwarded them. Receiving the images by itself shouldn’t be punished, because you can’t control what other people spontaneously send you… But if they forwarded the images to others, they distributed child porn.
At the end of the day, these are children, there is no punishment meaningful that ends with just these boys punished. Justice would be finding the source of who created these images. I’m honestly highly doubtful it was these kids alone. This really should bring into suspect any adult in the life of these boys. An investigation that stops at punishing children for child sexual abuse material is not at all a thorough investigation.
It’s possible these boys were able to generate these images on their own (meaning not with help from anyone in their real life interactions). But, even if that was the case, the investigation should not stop there.
When the sheriff’s department looked into the case, they took the opposite actions. They charged two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images — and not the girl.
Oh, shit! Did they shoot the computer?
I think that one’s okay. It’s not black.
No it doesn’t say that.
What? RTFA. 2 boys were charged by the Sheriff’s department. They didn’t face any punishment from the school, but law enforcement definitely investigated.
When the sheriff’s department looked into the case, they took the opposite actions. They charged two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images — and not the girl.
I think you may have read the wrong article.
Must be a majority republican police department.
Correct. They will not investigate it further than threatening the victims with persecution. The goal is that the victim doesn’t pursue it further.
They don’t know how to properly investigate it, and they are not interested in knowing. The see it as both ‘kids being kids’ and ‘if this gets out it will give our town a bad name’.
I’m glad the kid and her family aren’t letting this go!
No! Are you trying to get the perpetrator hired into Trump’s cabinet?!
I mean, law enforcement doesn’t have enough resources to go after people making real CP.
What makes you think they can go after everyone making fake CP with AI?
They do have resources, especially in the US. They do go after real cp and people go to jail on a near daily basis for it.
This too, could have been investigated better, which is kind of the point of the article
Why are you so okay with child pornography? Checking your message history really shows you being completely fine with CP, yet you really have it out for the victim
And AI generation vendors get a free pass for generating child porn
They absolutely should not.
The Trump Administration is trying to make preventing this illegal.
Easy answer, we make unflattering AI porn of Ivanka. Make it impossible for her dad to enjoy.
Louisiana has effectively fully privatized its public school system through the charter school model. Everything’s been stripped down and sold off. As a result, parents and students are reduced to the status of at-will clients of a given campus and can be kicked out for any reason or no reason at all.
Add to that, the Louisiana system is also at the forefront of the School to Prison Pipeline, a bureaucratic model that seeks to segregate the population by class cohort and heavily criminalize the behavior of the lower income traunchs in order to maximize its prison population.
Louisiana also happens to have the second largest incarceration rate in the nation. Louisiana prisons also happen to have been heavily privatized, with many of the profits going directly into the pockets of the public leaders and their mega-donor allies.
Shithole country
Yeah but bbq is pretty good, so you win some you lose some
Best swamp critter rice filled intestines too. Haven’t been to Nola since gluten diagnosis. I miss le monde :(
Fed up, she attacked a boy on the bus, inviting others to join her. She was kicked out of Sixth Ward Middle School for more than 10 weeks and sent to an alternative school. She said the boy whom she and her friends suspected of creating the images wasn’t sent to that alternative school with her. The 13-year-old girl’s attorneys allege he avoided school discipline altogether.
When the sheriff’s department looked into the case, they took the opposite actions. They charged two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images — and not the girl.
the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them
If the Sheriff couldn’t get the images, it’s because he didn’t bother to. It’s a well known fact that Snapchat retains copies of all messages
Is the allegation of CSAM enough to get a warrant? If the Sherrif saw it once then absolutely, but without that?
Edit: I do imagine if a child testified to receiving it that would be enough to get a warrant for their messages, which would then show it was true, which could then lead to a broader warrant. No child sharing it though would testify to that.
Why is the government allowing CP generating AI’s to exist?
Because of who the president is?
Because money is the only thing we, as a country, truly care about. We’re only against things like CP and pedos as long as it doesn’t get in the way of making money. Same reason Trump sharing Larry Nassar and Jeffrey Epstein’s love of “young and nubile” women, as Epstein put it, didn’t kill his political career – he’s the pro-business candidate who makes the wealthy even wealthier
The orange Nazi could be raping a 12 yr old girl on national tv, but say it’s the libs and drag queens who are the rapists, and his cult with put their domestic terrorist hats back on
The problem is that it’s impossible to take out this one application. There doesn’t need to be any actual nude pictures of children in the training set for the model to figure out that a naked child is basically just a naked adult but smaller. (Ofc I’m simplifying a bit).
Even going further and saying let’s remove all nakedness from our dataset, it’s been tried… And what they found is that removing such a significant source of detailed pictures containing a lot of skin decreased the quality of any generated image that has to do with anatomy.
The solution is not a simple ‘remove this from the training data’. (Not to mention existing models that are able to generate these kinds of pictures are impossible to globally disable even if you were to be able to affect future ones)
As to what could actually be done, applying and evolving scanning for such pictures (not on people’s phones though [looking at you here EU].) That’s the big problem here, it got shared on a very big social app, not some fringe privacy protecting app (there is little to do except eliminate all privacy if you’d want to eliminate it on this end)
Regulating this at the image generation level could also be rather effective. There aren’t that many 13 year old savvy enough to set up a local model to generate there. So further checks at places where the images are generated would also help to some degree. Local generation is getting easier by the day to set up though, so while this should be implemented it won’t do everything.
In conclusion: it’s very hard to eliminate this, but ways exist to make it harder.
You say this as if the US is the only place generative AI models exist.
That said, the US (and basically every other) government is helpless against the tsunami of technology in general, much less global tech from companies in other countries.
I’m saying why is it so easy for like 12 year olds to find these sites? Its not exactly a pirate bay situation - you can’t generate these kind of AI videos with just a website copied off a USB and an IP address.
These kind of resources should be far easier to shutdown access to than pirate bay.
Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed
Says smooth brain idiots who don’t recall the Snappening.
You can call them idiots but it is you who misremembers. Snapchat’s role in the snappening was a failure to crack down on 3rd party clients.
Snapchat didn’t store the photos (that we know of), a 3rd party app’s server did
I can’t misremember if I never read the original story about what happened, lol. But you are technically correct, it looks like it was from a third party saving the data.
The actual shortsightedness is thinking that data transmitted from any device is temporary. Snapchat would have logs at the very least. Probably chat messages, if not just everything.
This problem won’t stop until law enforcement starts treating deepfakes of minors as possession of child pornography with all the legal ramifications that come with it. Young boys need to understand that their actions have consequences.
In the meantime, no one under 18 should be on social media. I wish AI, deepfakes or in general, could just be illegal, but laws aren’t catching up and people are being victimized.
That’s how this school shit goes, zero tolerance really means zero critical thought. You were involved in a fight? That’s school violence!
I always tell my personal story when this comes up. In high school I was beefing with my friend over some stupid shit. One day he put me in a headlock and started to fight me. With a free hand I reached up (very big guy btw, I was very small) and grabbed his glasses off his face and squeaked out to let go of me or I’d jam it into his eye. He spun me around and tried to knee me in the nuts (luckily missed) and then yelled at me. We both got suspended for fighting when all I did was get beat up by the guy.
“I bet it’s the south”
Louisiana
Yup
Guidance Counselors, teachers and administrators don’t like listening to kids anywhere. I use to get in trouble for fighting my bullies when the bullying happened right in front of the teacher.
Also, they will be razor focused on preserving authority over making things right.
When they make a mistake, well no they didn’t because to admit a mistake is to acknowledge being fallible and to be fallible is to undermine your authority.
In this case they still torpedoed her shot at extracurricular activities even after amending in the face of overwhelming data that the girl reasonably felt zero recourse after doing everything the right way to start.
I hope the kid that created these gets the shit beat out of him.
I mean, it’s dissemination of CSAM. He’s getting worse than a beating.
Since the offender is a child themself, it isn’t going to be treated as severely.
No, they usually are. Even kids sharing their own nudes with their SO privately have the book thrown at them, these kids are making CSAM of a third party and distributing them across the school.
The boy probably has networked parents, gonna be the future Mark Zuckerberg
It would be great if the SEO gods forever associated the names of the superintendent and principal with their public positions of support for child pornographers.
Just like that rapist Brock Turner.
Yeah like the rapist Brock Turner.
I dont recall what he changed it to, but the rapist Brock Turner is going by a different name now.
I see Louisiana is living up to its international reputation.
All the staff at that school who were involved should be charged with child pornography.
The only new thing here—from a societal standpoint—is a student being expelled for a single incident of fighting (zero tolerance policies).
Bullying and blackmailing people using manipulated images dates back to the invention of the camera.
I remember when Photoshop started to become easily pirated (via AOL, LOL). Around that time, kids we using it to paste girls faces on to other naked women’s bodies. I also remember news articles from when Facebook was still new, with people creating fake profiles of people and sharing similarly-manipulated images.
What we need is for kids to be taught (in school) the first rule of porn: IT IS FAKE. Bullying will never cease but at the very least we can teach kids not to react so strongly to fake, transient nonsense about them.
They need to be reminded that when someone does something like generating a deepfake of them, it has no bearing on their life until it is distributed. They need to be taught how to gather evidence and the correct places to report such things.
We don’t teach kids such things in school because schools want discretion. Since schools are so obviously failing to NOT abuse their powers of discretion with zero-tolerance policies, perhaps we should take that away.
Tell me you don’t have kids without telling me you don’t have kids.
Or tell me you’re so old you forgot what being a middle schooler was like.
I would 100% support my daughters if they punched someone over this. I’m very passive generally, but I would burn the earth these abusers stand on because of my own life experiences. I’d struggle not to overstep my kids’ wishes.
Bullying and blackmailing people using manipulated images dates back to the invention of the camera.
Not from 13 year olds… what has changed now is the ability to create hyper realistic porn from a picture in seconds with one button click… that is very, very different from the past and glazing it over like this has existed forever is disingenuous.
Blaming the technology is useless and unhelpful. It’s like blaming Photoshop for letting people remove their faces from obvious CSAM.
Kids need to be taught about this stuff! Bitching and trying to regulate the tech is a pointless waste of time. Teaching children how to deal with it is the only realistic thing that can be done.
You not addressing my point is showing how weak your argument is, just an fyi.
Ah yes, make no regulatory framework and just the the kids sort it out without any possible help from the system, sounds brilliant.
The kids seem to know about this stuff just fine. It’s not some lack of knowledge that was the problem here.
They need to be reminded that when someone does something like generating a deepfake of them, it has no bearing on their life until it is distributed. They need to be taught how to gather evidence and the correct places to report such things.
Someone needs to remind you how to fucking read, because the images were being distributed and that was why the girls went to the guidance counselor and the police before resorting to violence.
Yes. I read that. I also said what I said.
I’m failing to see the issue.
People freak TF out because things like deepfakes exist. We need to be rational about stuff like this. Manipulating photos and videos isn’t going away. The only point where we can reasonably do something about it is at the point of distribution.
I don’t think you read it. You said " it has no bearing on their life until it is distributed." It was being distributed! You said " They need to be taught how to gather evidence and the correct places to report such things." They did that too, they went to the school and the police. What the fuck else were they supposed to do? Steal their phones to gather evidence? Get real.
It was only when they beat these little pigglets’ asses that the police actually got serious, now the boys are facing charges.
We can reasonably search the phones of teenagers that are trading child porn. It just didn’t happen because, I guess, the school and police didn’t care about what is essentially a child porn trading network that was exploiting and hurting young girls.
This is trash. All of it.
Nothing is real or can be considered real anymore. We are going to need new frameworks to handle a world where video of illegal or embarrassing things can be trivially created by anyone.
People saying the Ai vendor should be liable, but that’s short-sighted for a world where anyone can do this at home with largely anonymous distribution.
