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Unfortunately the saying refers to soft men like Trump et. al., not femboys.
God I wish we had a femboy president and cabinet… I’m not even attracted to them. I just know they’d be infinitely better than the fucking fascist cheeto et. al…
no its about femboys. read history
can confirm I lived in the Roman empire 👍
You’d be surprised by the amount of nazi femboys there are…
Eh… I’m aware how insufferably ‘bottom’ many of them are. To want to be a nazi whilst being a type of person they would likely dislike is … pretty strong bottom energy.
pretty strong bottom energy.
It’s not only about bottoms tho
There a lot of people in LGBT+ community that supports islam\sharia law. Amount of people that are simultaneously in those two circles is surprisingly high. Same with women and sharia law actually. You would think they understand that it basically a suicide - but here we are. Sadly, don’t have exact numbers, maybe that just vocal minority, who knows.
I mean, even if we talking about politics - there a lot of people who supported Trump for example. Same people then complained, that their group (LGBT+, farmers, etc) was negatively affected by his politics. Leopards do what leopards do.
Also, in my birth country russia (I hope it cease to exist), all that fascist “z” movement rise so high, that many communities like furry, anime, mlp, etc. became toxic waste. Sad thing really, you see how people support same regime, that prosecute them.
Yea, it was partly a joke. I will never understand how people, especially minorities, can look themselves in the mirror after voting against their own interest. Not even in a greedy way, but in a, “what the fuck did you think would happen?” sort of way.
This whole thing never made much sense. It’s just a poorly thought out version of the passage of trauma, one that fails to account for systemization of classism, bigotry, and the like. If this were the case, things should swing wildly every 40 years, but that hasn’t been my observation.
No, it makes perfect sense if you treat it like the metaphorical expression it is and not a literal description of reality…
Or are you the kind of person to think, “measure twice, cut once” literally means you need to measure things twice and not that it’s about being careful?
I’d give it respect as a saying if it hadn’t been adopted by republicans as a means of putting down society at large. The Apple doesn’t fall across the bridge when it gets to it.
Also, I do measure twice. But I also cut three times because I’m terrible with electric saws and I need the practice.
That’s stupid. Republicans will miscontrue and torture any expression if it lets them shit on others.
Just look at “right to work”, or all the BS they’ve spouted against universal healthcare since long before Trump et. al…
If you let lying cheating monsters define everything, OFC most of it isn’t going to be true.
You’re welcome to fight the treadmill of American language and associations to attempt to reclaim a saying that I personally view as limiting. Sounds like a huge undertaking, but it seems like it really matters to you. I’m rooting for you.
I’ll never cede ymca as a straight song, but a poorly thought out saying, I can’t care.
Then keep allowing shitty people to ruin things like you seem to want to do. It’s the American way, after all.
Stupid men like oversimplified phrases that make themselves think they’re better than others.
are they even better than others, by their own logic? they make it sound like a natural cycle, where the hard/softness of people is a natural consequence of the times which made them. the times are just a natural consequence of the hardness of the people.
with this framework, if times are bad right now, that can’t be some great moral failing, after all the people allegedly responsible, did not chose to make them so, and anyway, the times will get good again soon enough, … and then go bad again. it might just suck to live through the hard times.
Bad men good times make hard men. Good times make men hard make soft men. Soft good men make men man men.
Time good bad times. We need men men men.
make men man men
That’s a good one 🤣
Ignoring for a moment that apparently women don’t exist in that world, even the premise doesn’t hold: Bad times don’t make hard people, bad times make sick, malnourished, badly educated and/or desperate people, none of which is conductive to making the proposed following of the good times.
If any of that were true, the good times in the so called first world should’ve made their peoples so soft compared to the hard peoples that should’ve been created literally everywhere else that the last 300 years of war or so should’ve ended very differently.
It’s a racist propaganda trope that harkens back to ancient Rome where senators decried the “soft” Roman lifestyle compared to the “hard” germanic tribes and has gathered connotations of blood-and-earth (“Blut und Boden”, no idea how thats translated) and other unsavory shit in the meantime.
I like to call it the “Fremen Mirage” after the awesome blog collection of a historian I very much like: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-part-i-war-at-the-dawn-of-civilization/
Props to grindr for judo-ing this pile of worms to a place the original poster presumably wouldn’t have liked very much
I love that blog. It’s written in such a thorough yet accessible manner that I’ve actually sent that particular post to a friend with whom I was arguing about this with
Most of what makes these “bad times”, involves the existence of massive dickheads like Laurence Fox, who think that strength is the same as bigotry.
listen up libruls, i beat my entire family so they can be MANLY
my wife left and took the kids
That’s hard, man.
The whole cyclical thing is bullshit and has been for thousands of years. Good times make for a surplus in food and other products, which can feed a warrior caste to pillage more prosperity from the unfortunate.
Dr. Devereaux explores this myth in his series dubbed “The Fremen Mirage” (named such after the fictional people of Dune, both to provide an example of its “distilled” portrayal in fiction and to avoid linking it to any specific real culture he’d step on the toes of).
And we do need men. Men whose identity isn’t defined by supremacy or dominance, but by the courage to step up, the strength to help carry the weaker members of society, the honour to protect the vulnerable and the confidence to not feel emasculated by conceding error or showing tenderness or loving other men.
Most of that is applicable to humans in general, regardless of gender, biology, sexuality, ethnicity or whether they like soy-based foods, but if we’re gonna lean into masculine stereotypes, let it be the healthy, beneficial ones.
And if we’re gonna lean into men, have fun!
Did anybody ever respond to him? I don’t see anything highlighted so I don’t think so
Nothing yet, will keep you posted
“GrindrUK” “@GrindrUS”
This is patently inaccurate. If anything, bad times make soft men, in many of us desperate crave someone to protect us, with whom we feel safe to be soft with. And then, of course, soft men makes hard men
Reminder that Laurence Fox is a classist, racist, Covid-denying, bigoted, moron that even the majority of the British right wing ignore as too far gone.
Is there an echo in here??
good times make hard men. soft men make me hard.
This comment made me a hard man.
Soft men make me hard.
