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    Sure it has a impact. If he accepts the pardon, he is admitting guilt. Non-guilty people have no need of a pardon. So take the pardon Guili, it will make the state charges that much more easy to prove guilt.

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      What is giving you the idea that a pardon automatically admits guilt? I’ve seen this so many times and it makes absolutely no sense. There’s one court case from the 20’s in which the court suggested that accepting a pardon “may imply guilt.” And there’s like 528 court cases saying the opposite. There’s also nothing in the verbage of a pardon that states that. It simply removes any legal consequences from relevant acts. I’m not sure why so many people insist that if you accept any type of pardon for any reason, you are confessing to have perpetuated whatever you are accused of. It makes absolutely no sense. You could be guilty as hell. Or you could have been on the other side of the planet and accused of something random. I’m either case, all a pardon does is just get you out of trouble.

      This isn’t to say that I think Giuliani is innocent or anything. He’s a complete and utter dirt bag. But of all things, him merely accepting a pardon is not the smoking gun a lot of people seem to think it is.

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      I thought it was the Rudy Giuliani who still pretends to have any credibility after hosting a press conference between a crematorium and a sex shop after a mix up over a hotel booking.

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    The headline makes it sound like that’s a decision that was made specifically for this pardon. It is not. Presidential pardons have only ever applied to Federal charges, never to State charges.

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    Oh no, this smackdown may drive him to drink.

    (Although to be honest, he will be drinking regardless…)

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    He’s lawyer and would fully understand that a federal pardon wouldn’t help him in state court. Not sure how he got “smacked down” here. I guess the headline “nothing changes for Rudy Giuliani” wasn’t inflammatory enough.

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    So … if he takes the federal pardon, and is forced to testify federally (I know, I know, just go with me a moment), can he still plead the fifth in federal court?

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      My understanding is no, but also since taking the pardon is admitting the guilt, wouldn’t he also be not allowed to to plead the fifth in the state case?

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        Admitting the guilt to the federal crime, not the state one. They’re distinct, even if we’re talking about the same act.

        I suppose at that point, the state prosecutor would just introduce the documentation of the federal case outcome.

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    I’m not living in the US and have never seen this guy before. I’ve seen his photos a lot lately. I want to know what medical device he is wearing on his chest? Looks like some kind of CPAP or oxygen mask?

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      It’s an old photo from his 9/11 appearance. He had been in a car accident and broke a bunch of bones, so what you’re seeing is a chest brace.

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          He was at one point, lol.

          He was mayor of NYC during the 9/11 attacks, and at the time was heralded as America’s Mayor. Giuliani was later Trump’s personal lawyer, and because of that, fell out of favor with the public.

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      He had been in a bad car accident recently, that probably explains the brace.

      He was the NYC Mayor in the late 90’s, and when the Sep 11 attacks happened. Later, he ran for President, and talked so much about the attacks that people started referring to him as “Gi911ani”.

      Of course, even back then, he was extremely good friends with Donald Trump…

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    This website has one of the most malicious pseudo cookie banners I have seen so far. I wonder why they are doing this at all, because it’s illegal where sich an Option is required and useless in all other places