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I liked the part where the victem is named but none of the ICE agents are identified. “Officer N.J.” is all they say.
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ACAB
No exceptions
At this point, ICE is just a group of people who harass Latinos based on racist criteria. It doesn’t even have to do with immigration.
As a white person, I think of the German people who did nothing when Jewish people were gradually stripped of rights, before the eventual death camps, and I’m not actually sure of what to do. I also am not really convinced that there are no Latinos being sent to death camps right now. If there were, would I know somehow?
My political views are somewhat moderate. I just don’t like racism.
Is there anything I can do that will have any meaningful impact on protecting Latinos from this racism? I do not consider protests to be meaningful and I am not asking for any suggestions that are illegal, especially since the government probably trolls these posts. I feel like I’m being a bad person by doing nothing.
Supposedly that’s already happening. Many of the people that were sent to alligator Alcatraz were never seen again. They weren’t traceable. And yet neighboring countries are reportedly finding bodies washing up on their shores. The running theory is that the US has been flying them out into the ocean, dropping them in there to drown to disappear them. It’s horribly evil, and yet it’s plausible.
We’re almost to the end of the end of the poem. I fully expect to hear “and then they came for me“ any day now
I’m German and when I was in elementary school in the 90s we learned about the Nazi regime. An old woman visited our class to talk about what is was like for her as a child under Hitler. I remember that she said some people just disappeared and noone really knew why. There were rumours about prisons or labor camps but noone knew for sure what happened to the people who disappeared. She only learned about the concentration camps after the war was over.
I bet in a decade or so we will learn about all the horrors that are really going on right now.
Nope. The US doesn’t learn. It markets.
You could warn your area if you see ICE around on this website.
Finding and getting involved in a local mutual aid group would be quite meaningful, as it would allow you to meet people who share your same concerns IRL, and be able to plan and organize for how to react in your area. It’s very make a meaningful difference alone, finding a solid group is very important.
Attempting to unionize your workplace if it isn’t already would be very helpful to further prepare for a General Strike (as they usually have strike funds to make a general strike financially bearable), which is pretty much our last non-violent option to prevent all of this from progressing. You can see how a general strike helped cripple Chile’s government while civil unrest was occurring in this documentary.
I’d recommend contacting the IWW, who will gladly train you to become an organizer with proven techniques to unionize your workplace.
Lastly, I’d also recommend checking out the book Full Spectrum Resistance for a more complete guide on how to prepare and respond.
https://www.iceinmyarea.org/ wouldn’t let me on the website because I’m using Tor Browser in safer mode and WebGL is blocked (Vercel Security Checkpoint Failed to verify your browser Code 11) and I’m not willing to go on a website like that without using Tor Browser. I really don’t trust anything that doesn’t trust Tor Browser.
They’ve been chipping away at Tor browser for a while now. It’s well known that it can be fingerprinted now. I think it was like last year or something where they made a change they lied about and got caught. Eventually enough people had it that someone finally tested the damn thing and demonstrated the flaw. The tor browser people said too bad we’re not changing it. It was something that was intentionally introduced to enable fingerprinting on tor. The network itself seems very good but tor browser itself, not so much
I’m not saying to stop using tor, but you really should diversify your shit. Look into i2p, set up a reticulum node, get multiple options ready. The great danger of tor is that damn near everybody involved in darknet stuff is using it, which means it’s an incredibly appealing target for the feds who have demonstrated they are not to be trusted
It wouldn’t let me there either. Not sure it’s my VPN or my browser, but I figured most people aren’t going to have as intense of a privacy set-up as we do. I also don’t know of an alternative to that site now that the ICE Block app was removed from stores.
For all I know, the website could be a honeypot, although I have no reason to suspect that. But I don’t know who the developer is, I don’t know what Vercel is, I don’t know why Anubis isn’t sufficient.
Get trained by a local rapid response team. You can’t directly interfere, but by enabling people to exercise their legal rights, you can prevent a significant fraction of snatch and grabs and significantly slow ICE & CBP.
Do local response teams have use for people with extremely limited Spanish? I’ll try to find out. It’s a good idea.
Yes. You can:
- identify ICE/CBP
- alert the rest of the team
- blow a whistle to alert those nearby
- ask to see warrants
- film what is going on for accountability
I think of the German people who did nothing
Yup… It’s painful. I’m with you. There was a great answer below.
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Shot from behind by federal agents, seems the key missing element of that title.
If you treat people as a group, they tend to lock together as a group. The police are already getting pissed off with ICE, in many places. That crack needs to be pryed open. Indifferent, pissed off police/FBI etc is a lot better than them standing in lockstep with ICE.
Yah we can do more good leveraging the fact that most of these ICE agents are illegitimate and just poorly trained ticks riding on Trump’s political narratives and not real federal agents.
We can make the cops hate them and support the narrative that these ICE goons are trying to usurp local authority.
Then when the tide turns and ICE is pushed back into the sea or wherever the fuck they came from, we can go back to hating on the cops. We gotta take the stairs one step at a time.
It’s worth noting, that the police issue in America is very solvable. Most of the Western world’s police use a “police by consent” default. America’s “police by overwhelming force” is the outlier. It leads to a lot of your issues over there. While they are far from perfect, the UK police are far better than America police.
It’s worth looking for the opportunity to reform the police in the process, not just hate on them (ineffectively).
while threatening them with a car. …
Anyone can shoot someone in a car at any time, because they’re armed with a deadly weapon, got it.
they’re hardly federal agents
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Dress up as maga while you slash their tires, throw paint over their cars… letsgooooo bully trump and nazi’s out
Jimenez pulled up to three immigration officers, two from Border Patrol and another form ICE and “engaged in a verbal altercation,” it states.
It doesn’t even get any better if you just accept their version of what happened. Six agents vs one guy in a “verbal altercation”, and they think it’s ok to just start blasting?
What a shithole.
Yep. But the people don’t learn. So I don’t give a shit unless there is civil unrest against that government.
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Obviously that’s the main problem I am talking about. If you get killed and just watch or at max hold up a sign, then I don’t feel sorry for you, as it was obviously not bad enough for you to properly react to such domestic terror
This comment section is full of fedposting.
Fr, people need to stop treating the internet as equivalent to IRL discussions. Like literally every comment is “shoot your local cop”, I mean like, I’m not saying that I disagree with the sentiment, but like… seriously lol? How is suicide by cop gonna change anything?
Just as with computers, your brain also needs a “firewall”.
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This comment sectionEvery comment section on Lemmy is full of fed posting.FTFY
There are two very obvious peices that show the government side is lieing… 1 - a spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, said … 2 - Then the agent “holstered” his fire arm
The main requirement to be a spokesperson for anything in this administration is to lie. And ICE has orders to escalate, not descalate.
ICE executes a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Here, I fixed the headline for you.
Per the article:
unnecessarily shot in the back of his right shoulder where a bullet remains lodged
He is still alive
ICE attempts to murder a US citizen with a shot in the back of the head in front of children.
Nailed it?
Okay this is good.
Let’s iterate this until it’s perfect. I think attempted unnecessarily waters it down.
How about
ICE shoots a US citizen in the back of the head in front of children.
edit: The art is to be resolute without weapons, strategic, smart, large-scale and unpredictable. A national strike would work better yeah but is tricky ig lots of americans need their salary too but you can set up a strike fund for those people perhaps? idk and supporting organizations that protect independent branches of power, independent judges, iguess, protectdemocracy.org for example ig
stop telling people to start shooting. You think its as simple as one person killing a ICE agent and they pack it up and go home. it will take more than that to push back the issues going on
At least you saved someone then…
hmm…fair point.
but NO no u are right be forceful without weapons best … to help more people in the end than just the one idk
As if the detainee is going to get away clean forever after their arresting officer gets blasted. PuddingHelmet is a wildly accurate username.
Most gun owners don’t carry them around 24/7 and probably .0001% of gun owners are actively looking for shoot outs with federal agents at any given time 🤣. They are not arresting gun owners currently do that’s why the lack of resistance id guess.
A cop without a warrant is just an armed trespasser.
Well for one reason they haven’t come to my home yet. They seem to be going after mostly defenseless people with overwhelming force. I’m assuming they’re fucking cowards and they’re not putting themselves in danger intentionally.
I don’t understand how this happened? Surely voting for the lesser of two evils will eventually somehow stop evil right?
Which lesser evil would you be referring to?
Should people not participate in elections? What else do you suggest?
I participate in all elections and encourage others to as well. I compromise by voting for democratic socialists in the worst case scenario, but otherwise will vote for whatever socialist candidates are on the ballot.
Guess we did not vote hard enough for the Democrats and voters did not vote left enough oh and those Republicans
As the ol’ Democrat motto goes
-We will fix it later because progress not perfection and one step at time
Every day I thank the Voyager dev for user tags…
I’ve had them tagged as “bOTh SiDEs r bAd” for months now, and it has virtually always held true. Nearly every single time I see a post from them, it is some sort of “but but but Democrats caused this. We should be blaming them instead of the people who actually voted for it” type of rhetoric.lol twinsies
Holy shit brilliant, thank you
I’ll bet $20 they voted for Jill Stein to “save Gaza.”
But ask how them how they feel about Russia’s genocide in Ukraine and they will become curiously defensive probably lol.
😂
Yeah, but you say that like this would still be happening if Trump hadn’t won.
Schumer whipped Senate democrats to vote for cloture on the bill that gave ICE this funding because he was afraid of a shutdown months ago. He is still minority leader.
Look, if you’re scooping turds out of a punch bowl, and the only tool you have is a net that might be made of turds, then you can either keep scooping or you can throw away the whole bowl of punch. You don’t just give up and drink the punch because it’s all the same. One is a turd in the punchbowl. The other is a mechanism for removing the turds, but it’s also probably a turd. Doing something is still doing something, even if the punch is still shit.
You can either hold your nose and eat the turds or agree to permanently become the tail end of a human centipede. You got the centipede because you threw away the turds despite every minority begging you not to. Enjoy the centipede.
Exactly.
“Here. I’m either going to give you this this sandwich, or I can hit you with this bat.”
“Fuck you. I don’t like the sauce on the sandwich. Ouch! Curse this bat that has nothing to do with my decisions!”
None of you seem capable of taking a step back and realizing that there are more options than being force-fed a turd sandwich or getting hit with a bat. You’ve already lost if you’re willfully limiting yourself to these two options because those will only ever be your options until you decide you’ve had enough of both.
Tell me you know nothing about American politics without telling me you know nothing about American politics
If I walked up to you and told you I was going to hit you in the face or the groin and to pick one, you’d dutifully pick one and tell everyone how smart you were to pick what you did and how no one else is such a pragmatic chooser as you, you supreme master of contrived trolley problems.
I’ll tell you one thing for sure, if anything gets better in the next few years it wont be because of the centrist dems like yourself.
What a nothing comment. If you had something to “inform me” with you would have done it instead if pretending like you have some special insight into fixing our problems by giving the Dems another turn at the helm as if they haven’t been steering us to this very point too.
I just read your comments.
What? In my metaphor, Democrats are the nets made of sometimes poop, and Republicans are the turds. Was that not clear?
you can throw away the whole bowl of punch.
Ok. Let’s do that.
Yeah, sure. Gather the guillotine and meet me in the town square.
