- It’s Too Late.
- It’s Been Too Late For Years: this was inevitable, given the balkanization of “education” in the US of A, where only some sub-populations were taught considered-reasoning, scientific-method, etc, where the wealthy could conserve quality-education to themselves, etc.
- it isn’t that the US will sink into autocracy/autarchy for decades, it is that there won’t be any functional country left, by 1 decade in the future: US Civil War Part2 is BAD.
- “status quo” is delusion: it doens’t protect anyone.
Seriously, people, read the /news /politics /nottheonion communities 1st set to Controversial, then set to New, then ask yourself what happens when the hugest military-industrial-complex in the world sets its sights on exterminating civil-rights, citizen’s-rights, non-white rights, etc, as systematically as the current regime’s Heritage Foundation blueprinted regime-change is doing…
It’s too late.
Orient not to “preventing” autarchy, which no longer is possible, orient to surviving it.
Different attitude, & more-likely to save your life.
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Doesn’t matter. At current course, climate change will kill most of us, including the assholes, within the next 100 years <citation needed>
Gosh, The Atlantic, maybe you shouldn’t have spent the last 20 years shitting on progressive politics and politicians, then.
No no. The hit pieces they put out in progressives that could have beat Trump twice are obviously the better course of action. That’s free press bay-be!
I really really doubt The Atlantic is responsible in the slightest way of what the USA has become in the last few years.
I think we are past the point of protests and need to start a general strike. I don’t care if we have to plan it around a certain date like the protests, it needs to be done. Hit them where it hurts, their wallets. And I know some of y’all are gonna say shit like “we’re so docile that we have to plan it and we’re not just out in the streets all day everyday so it’ll never work,” and you are absolutely right and it’s by design. Unfortunately we are still human and would rather keep ourselves and our families fed and housed and that’s exactly what they are taking advantage of here. But instead of complaining online that everyone else isn’t doing enough, we need to just work with what we have. And if we need to pick a date so people can get shit together, so be it.
Bitching about how things are and who’s at fault is never going to work when we need everyone. I don’t care if you are a regretful republican, non voter, or a democrat and I don’t care if it’s technically your fault, we need everyone. We are all fucked right now. And laughing at your fellow passengers on this sinking ship isn’t going to save you, we are all going down.
I think now is the time for No Kings to start floating the idea for fundraising a general strike fund and signing the general strike cards.
I work for a pretty small company with only 15 employees so I’m not sure how big my impact will be, but we do have a lot of clients that are much larger companies and corporations. I will absolutely inquire within.
That’s the thing, everyone is essential except the losers at the top. You stop doing your job and there’s a huge problem no matter how big or small.
We need the Teamsters and truck drivers and train operators on our strike. And every grocery store worker all at once for at least a week.
There’s always making employee owned businesses…
Even if you are employee-owned that doesn’t mean you need to do labour for large corporations during a general strike.
Yeah I’m thinking more long term. You want the owning class to tremble, then start making employee owned businesses. Socialize the economy.
sink into
Where do you think we are Dr. Cox?
#NOKINGS This Saturday, find your local protest: https://www.nokings.org/#map
Mobilization is not organization. Those in power already know the people are dissatisfied. They dont care. None of us are doing enough to make it their problem. We do not have the spaces to organize the kinds of actions that would be effective. Even this platform is not safe enough to talk about what needs to be done. It is too late. They won.
I ageee. But at the same time. This is where democracy plays in. Even though I believe trump stole the 2024 election (3 million + purged votes). He won the PV and EC. The American people elected him to lead, as did they with electing republicans to a majority in congress.
THEY CHOSE THIS! Overthrowing the president goes against the will of the people. However, that’s where Congress is supposed to uplhold the constitution, which they aren’t by allowing this pedo to do whatever he wants.
Also, overthrowing the government of the Philippines is a lot easier than the US. Unless we all agree to just tank the economy by not working.
Tank the economy. The alternative is not better.
I’m down, but we have to be a collective to work, no backing out.
I’m committed. I’ve already rehearsed what I would say to my manager/HR and fully accept that it may end my employment with them. But as somebody who’s financially secure, I feel it’s my duty to make that sacrifice should it come to it.
That’s the point of the website
I’ll take one “tank the economy” please.
Democracy isn’t just about what (a short) majority of the voters have decided, it’s also about checks and balances, and protection of the individual, especially those from minority groups… and a lot more. There is nothing democratic about Trump’s rule and the fact that 52 or 53 or whatever percent of those citizens who went to actually cast a ballot voted for this doesn’t change that fact
Also, a general strike is not going to « tank the economy »
It wasn’t even a majority. 49%.
A just system doesn’t appoint a king this way.
How would a general strike be neutral or positive for the economy?
General strikes have to involve a meaningful percentage of the working population and are only supposed to end when the demands are met. The people on strike stop working, reduce spending as much as possible and stop paying tax.
It’s hard to imagine a scenario where that wouldn’t affect it massively in a negative way, so I’m genuinely curious as to what you think would happen in that scenario
Edit: I’m not sure I understand why this has been met with downvotes and no comment? I don’t see how I’m saying anything false here
Unless it’s a misunderstanding that I’m saying people should not do a general strike, which couldn’t be more wrong. Tbf I think Americans should have started one long before this point.
Hurting the economy in a sustained manner is the mechanism through which general strikes are an effective tool of the working class
I think people don’t understand that a general strike is an ongoing shutdown. They think it’s like going on a march one Sunday afternoon.
Also, a general strike while hurting the billionaires, would also hurt the people and more so democrat supporting urban areas - to the point where many people would have no food. The billionaires could wait it out (they won’t starve), and the fascist federal forces would come down hard on the eventual riots.
One thing our author forgets about the Philippines and Ferdinand Marcos is that his authoritarianism was going on for years before the uprising. And that his son is the current president of the Philippines.
So I’m not sure it’s the great example of democracy over authoritarian cult of personality.
Bernie had the option to ignore the orders of the DNC and ursurp the Duopoly. He didn’t do it.
Kamala had the option to ignore the orders of the DNC and ursurp the Duopoly. She didn’t do it.
Barrack had the option to ignore the orders of the DNC and ursurp the Duopoly. He didn’t do it.
Biden had the option to ignore the orders of the DNC and ursurp the Duopoly. He didn’t do it.
AOC currently has the option to ignore the orders of the DNC and ursurp the Duopoly, she’s not doing it.
There’s no person who is allowed on TV who is interested in the necessary defiance it takes to end the Duopoly.
Sanders didn’t have the votes to command a majority in the Democratic primaries; only was ahead because the centrists were fragmented. Actually getting somebody like him means doing the outreach and coalition building which enables that, not just snarking about the past
Pretty sure the DNC didn’t run like 7 different progressives against him while bolstering the campaigns of those progressives because Bernie failed to command a majority. If he was the only progressive that ran then he would have beaten Hillary easy.
Bernie Sanders had more individual contributions to his campaign than any other canidate in US history, he had massive grassroot support.
He clearly had the majority vote, the DNC even admitted to cheating and diluting his votes after Shultz’s and Hillary’s emails leaked.
This kind of revisionism is part of why people are becoming disillusioned with Neoliberals. Neoliberalism will no longer win elections in the United States. You have the option going forward to get with the program or get out of the way.
Show me evidence of the DNC admitting that
He had about 1/3 of Democratic primary voters going for him. In a highly fractured field, this was giving him a majority of delegates in 2020. He hasn’t ever been in a position to actually win, despite all the conspiracy-mongering.
The makeup of the DNC has also changed significantly over time.
Cool
You can continue to live in your reality where politicians are owed votes for existing, and a 45% popular vote despite 8 opposition canidates being ran against you somehow translates to 1/3rd of the vote.
The leftists will work to try to find a way out of this mess you are insistant in keeping us all trapped in.
Or what’s actually needed is understanding the scale of change in public opinion that’s needed to actually get somebody like Sanders elected as President.
Public opinion opposes all things establishment, to the point of preferring trump
NK rallies are toothless pressure release valves that accomplish nothing but a feeling of participation in politics. They are not a threat to the oligarchy or their power which is why they are allowed.
They show people that they’re not alone and that there is broad popular support for their views. This helps get people involved in more meaningful ways; people around me who were not previously active went to the last one and are now knocking on doors for California Prop 50 for example.
If they were concerned about the conditions of the country they would be protesting their own party too. Trump didn’t rise in a vacuum, he was assisted in large part by the DNC
Yes, but they can be used to build something more. If you think of everything as a single event with no connection to anything before or after, then there’s no way to win against an ingrained foe. Everything can’t be the decisive victory, we need to build an army first.
We collectively have the attention span that’s strained by the length of a Tik Tok video, acting long-term is a big ask.
Is the appeal of defeatism that it makes you feel like you’re in control?
