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Republicans want to hate so badly, they’ll literally create fiction to manifest it and be the victims…
Always have. Most of them have never met the people they’ve been taught to hate. Or believe for some reason that the few they know are some sort of exception. The token “good ones”.
Right they hate these straw people. I mean, I;m not going to say my own cognitive projection of “conservative” is 100% accurate, but at least my nightmare scenarios are about actual bad things happening, and not like conservative nightmares of genetically inferior people getting to enjoy the gifts of civilization.
The difference between us and them is that we don’t want to do things to hurt them. Far from it. We honestly want to do things to help them. When we do hate them, it’s not for who they are, but who they choose to be. And that makes all the difference.
What’s wild about this is that people predicted AI would be used for nefarious purposes, but generally in the form of like, showing your opponents doing crimes. But here it’s being used to show their own side doing crimes while the other side is only made to look “cringy” or more like a stereotype.
It really speaks to the utter depravity of the US right that, given a machine that can generate any video of anything they could imagine, this is what they do. These people are utterly incompatible with any kind of free or even functional society, and I really don’t know what could ever be done fix them or their culture.
If they instead made convincing AI generated videos of some imaginary leftists going first and starting a revolution, then it might not have the intended effect.
The phrase “I voted for this” has become a common thing for far-right supporters of Trump to say when something particularly brutal has happened to their political opponents.
I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it, If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you. – Lyndon B. Johnson, attributed by Bill Moyers
That last part is still accurate He had it right.
I remember as a kid growing up in a extended family just emerging from the worst kind of american poor. My fathers generation was the first to have decent living conditions but still faced hunger as children. They all could remember when they got electricity and running water. The older generation of aunts and uncles would often say things like 'We may be poor but at least were not N******s". That hasn’t changed a lot in some circular family tree’s.
5th generation warfare. It’s bots saying that (aka human slaves in large slave networks)
I never have to wonder what the Nazis in Germany would have done with modern technology. I wish I didn’t know.
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I see people daily due to living in a city and it only makes me hate them more.
But equally of course!
Human psychology is the same no matter the tech.
It just makes it easier.
And deadlier.
If they can’t differentiate between Ai Slop and reality, maybe we should start generating videos of ICE terrorizing Maga people.
They don’t care. They probably convince themselves its based on real antifa videos
The troll farms are disastrous to this country.
The foreign ones or the domestic ones?
Yes
Yes
You don’t even need to hire a “troll farm” now. You can just do it all with AI.
This has to be what trump is seeing over on Truth Social that’s got him thinking cities are burning from protests, or at least that could be what his advisors are showing
How many AI videos of them eating the dogs are there?
Fuuuuck, gaslighting the gaslighter in chief. This is how humanity ends. All bc reality has become trapped within an endless circle of AI generated gaslighting and fuckery thanks to these idiots.
Expect much more of this and soon enough it will be impossible to distinguish between Real and fake videos
We can fix a little with digitally.sigbed videos to at least show that a video came from a verified source but that still won’t fix the issue with leaked videos. Basically, leaked videos and open mike videos / audio clips are over, we can’t ever trust them anymore
I think the article really makes the point that it doesn’t matter. The videos can LITERALLY have a watermark on them from the AI software, and people just dgaf. The battle is lost before it begins.
As with things like quotes and claims that could always be fake, it’s back to the old journalistic practices of verifying sources with a second source. But that means being ignorant of things that were not being investigated by journalists, which creates a different filter bubble.
With the way things spread on social media from user generated content it would be hard to get that done I’m sure. Like the video almost everyone saw of Charlie, the video was indeed real but the spread was so beyond control that ot broke almost every filter algorithm on social media. I can’t imagine how much “suppression” talk would be mentioned if we had digitally sign the source even though it would be totally valid. [Viral > Truth]
Confederate psy ops. The civil war is back, you just don’t know it yet.
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Even if the images were real, I see a woman using her first amendment right to speech and assembly being assaulted by someone who has sworn to uphold the constitution.
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WELCOME TO THE WORRRLD OF TOMOORRROW!
Where truth doesn’t matter anymore.
This is actually pretty scary because they can just put their enemies in the videos to justify arresting people they don’t like
Not much different than grabbing the neighbors and telling them to say a few statements as witnesses, false or true. A new spin on an old game.
A new spin with far more reach.
True I mean without due process nothing will matter
That’s a lot of work for something they can do already
We really are in a post-truth society.
I don’t know. My entire life people have more or less told me the truth is stupid and worthless. Pretty sure were never were a truth society. It’s just that now we have given up the pretense and pretext that it even exists and have decided bullshit is what really makes us happy.
Lenin dreamt of this kind of propaganda power.
Ok, so why do they utilize these tools and the left cries about it.
I’ve said this for a while. The hate of AI on lemmy was encouraged by Astro turfing methods. This way leftist who usually are at the cutting edge of things instead knee cap themselves on a technology that acts as a force multiplayer. They will use this and advance. We will bitch and moan. The end result will be that they gain more and we don’t. So you can be upset and you can cry and hate this or me for pointing this out. That will never change the outcome. Your feelings don’t matter. What matters is outcomes right now. It matters what will get people to vote when it’s time. if you concede tools that help you reach eyes and ears of voters, be ready for consequences.
Yeah, this person’s right! We should start making inflammatory AI videos, too! Dump that whole tanker ship in the fire, fuck it!
No. I am sorry, but no. The hate on Lemmy is not against AI as a technology, it is against how it is being used, how it is being peddled, how it is being shoved down everyone’s throats, and how much damage it’s doing to our environment (edit: and society, and art, and culture, and politics, and economy, and wellness, and overall desire to maintain a steady heartbeat!)
And, to your point about feelings not mattering, from what I’ve seen, most people (including myself) are exhausted! We are surrounded by people losing their shit left and right, bigotry, racism, hate in general are mainstream, Fascism is out, about, and in power, and it looks like we’re all forgetting that the planet is literally burning up again.
We are tired. Most of us have already been through enough shit as it is, we would want nothing more than to see the end of this string of “once in a lifetime” disasters, yet we understand that the easy way out means we’ll end up becoming exactly what’s ruining our lives right now. This isn’t just about winning, HOW we win is equally important, if not more so. Because that will set the tone for what would follow.
Not to mention that the bullshit in AI videos made by the left would absolutely get called out in every propaganda outfit on the right. It would just give them more ammo (without the usual lies).
But even more important, it will grant legitimacy to everyone who responds to damning video evidence by claiming it was AI. We don’t need to make shit up, the reality is already horrifying. All AI will do is make it harder for people to believe their own eyes.
Enslaved with honor is still enslaved.
Oh, I said nothing about honour! There’s being nice, and there’s being fair. I’m more for being fair than being nice, and as I see it, it’s fair to hit back. The difference is in the nuance of how I hit back. Why eliminate when immobilise would suffice, y’know?
We gain by generating counter-slop? Wtf are you on about.
Anybody with a half a braincell can see the detrimental impact AI is having on social media & internet content generally. It’s not astro turfing, it’s just constantly dealing with generated nonsense that’s causing the hate.
People who are more susceptible to manipulation, which unfortunately seems to be right-leaning folks, seem to fall victim into believing & spreading it the most. They rarely do any form of fact checking.
Everybody is susceptible to manipulation. Are you crazy. Who do you think you are. It’s basic shit here. You need to push a singular message through repetition and people adopt it every time. The left are so ignorant to basics which is why everybody and their grandma knows about cat litter boxes rather than the arguments against it. This era of leftist are absolutely outclassed by a mile.
Oh fuck off. Nobody is “astroturfing” AI hate.
Plenty of us hate AI for perfectly reasonable ethical, sociological, and accuracy reasons.
Just because some anti-ethical twats are doing something with AI impactfully doesn’t justify the use of disinformation on our side.
They 100% are. There’s no doubt
I think it’s pretty obvious why people would be upset about a propaganda machine being used by a government to demonize its political enemies and voting base? The Iraq War started over less false pretenses, and look how that rolled out. The damage produced by this lying machine will be unimaginable.
Cool, it’s super important to be aware how getting punched will affect you while getting punched. Just don’t punch back because that isn’t what we’re about. In the end we win somehow. Maybe they’ll break their first on our head I dunno.
Lemmy’s daily active user numbers are not big enough to be a worthwhile astroturfing target.
The real reason people shit on AI here is because it’s a platform with a bias toward people who are fairly tech savvy and or work in a technology field. Which is why every 3rd technology post here is a Linux circle jerk.
A lot of users here understand the technologies and are working in spaces where they’re being asking to “implement AI” by idiots who don’t understand the tech and aren’t trying to solve a user problem.
I have seen this recently pretty often that people seem to believe Lemmy is an equal representation of the real world. It’s probably one of the more niche media platforms, though. I come here because I enjoy every third Linux post. I also know that I have to go out of my way to find someone who has even heard of Steam, let alone a Steam Deck in the real world.
It 100% is perfect for astroturf. It’s the perfect size for it. Large population need more money and effort to afford astroturf. Lemmy is the right amount then you let the Lemmy users generate more content for you.
We all saw this with Reddit. They always started with smaller city subs before moving to bigger ones. Always
Nah, it wasn’t astroturfed. Current gen AI is little more than automated theft ATM. A lot of artists had their work stolen with no compensation. And now have an even tougher time ahead, competing with the thieves than they already had before. A lot of the angst and hate has been knee-jerk and lacking nuance. Doing as much to alienate people from their cause as bring them to it. But it’s real.
What’s equally absurd however. Are those that naively think we could use AI against those already using it. They’re building farms that consume more power than major cities. With more compute than even large groups of average individuals will ever be able to muster. It doesn’t matter how much of a force multiplier it is. 10x return on a force of 10,000,000 is exponentially more return than a 500x increase on a force of 100.
Ai may just be a tool, but it’s not going to turn the tide in favor of the left.
Yea of course, that’s what all the headlines were shared kept trying us everyday multiple times a day. They told us they would take our jobs, they’d assault our women and children, they threatened our way of life. Familiar
https://files.catbox.moe/7qaw0m.mp4
Ya, I don’t really get the hate either. It’s just a fun new way to make memes. I feel like most are blowing things out of proportion because the media is telling them to.
