• Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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    Source article:

    https://fortune.com/2025/09/21/behind-closed-doors-ceos-say-trump-is-bad-for-business-and-its-time-to-make-america-into-america-again/

    It’s honestly a fascinating read. It’s fundamentally a PR piece, but the details (especially if you read between the lines) provide some interesting insights about how American oligarchs want to be viewed.

    Difficult to make any educated speculation without direct access to the event (this is a PR piece first and foremost), but I get the impression there is an attempt to hedge their bets and avoid a scenario (even if it is low probability at this point) where they will have to go down with the ship.

    Nearly three-quarters of CEOs surveyed said they were confident that U.S. free-market capitalism can compete with China’s socialist market economy in the global AI contest, and they expressed a near-unanimous discontent as the Trump administration has veered away from the capitalist system.

    This is a particularly funny quote. America is not a free market model and China does not have a socialist market economy. Both are state capitalist countries with China being more centralised via the CCP and America allowing a measure decentralisation for oligarchs.

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      compete (…) in the global AI contest

      Depending on the metric they may be right. The free market model may be able to outcompete in producing useless garbage.

      Outside of AI? I think there’s hardly any contest remaining.

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      We allowed greed above all to be the fundamental basis of our economic system. Obviously, the most immoral of all criminals, sociopaths, and psychopaths prospered.

      Now, most of our business and political leadership lack any virtues whatsoever. Everything and everyone can be sacrificed, as long as it’s for profit.

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    Ok I can see a comparison to the cultural revolution, especially with the attacks against academics. But the landlord president is most certainly not a maoist

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        Maoism is more than just working class attacks on academia and culture. In fact that element of Maoism is borrowed from folks like Mussolini. Maoism also involves the regime being ostensibly socialist, includes long term planning, and largely revolves around rapid industrialization.

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          So.

          1. Socialism 2. Long term planning 3. Rapid industrialization

          2. Maoism is a way to move towards socialism, it is not however socialism it just contains aspects of it like many forms of government. The us also has socialist policies and thus socialist aspects.

          3. The lie the admin is pushing is long term planning, they aren’t doing it but they’re certainly lying about doing it.

          4. “Bring back the factories” is a literal cry for rapid industrialization.

          So I ask again how are they effectively different. They may sell it to you in a different package but the contents are essentially the same and I’d argue the result would be largely the same.

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            You’re absolutely right. Any country that makes long term plans, seeks to develop it’s industrial base, and “has socialist aspects” (which I assume mean, “the government does stuff”) is Maoist.

            Emperor Meiji was a Maoist.

            This is a very reasonable and coherent worldview. You’ve definitely read plenty of theory to know that one of the core tenets of Maoism is “making plans.”

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              I didn’t define it boss, read the comment then get rude of that’s your prerogative but at the very least keep up with the conversation.

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                  So you’re going to be rude instead of making a point?

                  I didn’t define anything dipshit the other person did and I responded.

                  I asked how they were different not the same, you should read the comment chain rather then be rude for no fucking reason.

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        Bro literally gutted the farmers and used their tax money to bail out the country that replaced the exports of said farmers. That’s not very Mao of him.

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    What a bunch of greed oriented pussies! They got us into this mess and skulk away instead of helping to fix it.

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    I’m fucking tired of these insider anonymites wringing their hands and nothing changing, just shut the fuck up or be fully transparent with this. Take a meaningful stand and stop ass-covering so you can say I was against this the whole time when everything collapses.

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      That’s just it they publicly suck his dick and leak stuff about being against him so they cover their asses. So they can say I didn’t support him. Couldn’t these assholes say we are moving their headquarters out of America. But they won’t cause America is the biggest market and line must go up.

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    How are Western oligarchs so good at seeing something bad happen and concluding this is not us, this is what people from there do!

    No its you. Learn to introspect…

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    Americans: Americanly do something american

    Famed Yale Business Guru: What are we, a bunch of Chinamen?

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      It’s a real thing, CEOs can get really anxious in their stalls at night, sometimes they will panic and cause the other CEOs to start panicking too. Someone has to go rub their legs and brush them out to calm them or they can hurt themselves.

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    If the top 25 CEOs came out and said “We are going on general strike until Trump is impeached”

    This is probably 8 to 15 million American households.