Senior Justice Department officials are weighing proposals to limit transgender people’s right to possess firearms, according to two officials familiar with the internal discussions.
  • floofloof@lemmy.ca
    90·
    10 days ago

    In case anyone’s in any doubt about whether there’s any factual basis for this:

    Mass shooters are not disproportionately transgender, contrary to claims

    This CNN article states it well:

    Such a move would represent a dramatic escalation of the Trump administration’s fight against the rights of transgender Americans.

    That’s it. This is just the fascists finding another way to victimize trans people, because they enjoy doing that and it keeps the morons’ attention diverted from real problems.

    And this bit is also good in the article (warning: disgusting quotes from Trump admin people):

    The goal of the potential ban, according to the Justice official, is “to ensure that mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell.”

    Because gender dysphoria is included in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, also called the DSM, it is diagnosed as a mental disorder. (The DSM is the handbook used by health care professionals as the authoritative guide in diagnosing mental disorders.)

    But the gender incongruence – having a gender identity that’s not the one assigned at birth – isn’t what makes gender dysphoria a mental disorder. Having clinically significant dysphoria around the incongruence is what makes it a disorder.

    That’s surprisingly nuanced and well informed for an article on a mainstream news site.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
    62·
    10 days ago

    It makes sense if you don’t think about it. Which apparently the DOJ never did.
    It’s all about creating enemies the ignorant bigots can stand together against.
    USA is a disgusting society.

    • andros_rex@lemmy.worldOP
      43·
      10 days ago

      It’s shaping up to declare us all mentally incompetent so that they can institutionalize us. They won’t stop here.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.world
        15·
        10 days ago

        What a nightmare, and AFAIK no country will accept trans people from USA as refugees (yet).
        I hope you have options.

        • not_that_guy05@lemmy.world
          12·
          10 days ago

          I think Canada does from what they reported of asylum sellers from the US and mostly were trans.

          I hope if shit pops off they can send us care packages from the north.

          • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
            14·
            10 days ago

            Last I checked (last week? Does time mean anything anymore?) canada doesn’t want poor trans refugees more than any other country. A few people have gotten in, but the vast majority of applicants are being denied asylum.

          • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
            7·
            10 days ago

            Source for that claim? I’m pretty sure Canada is unfortunately still very backwards on granting asylum to people who need it (like most countries in the world are), but I’d love to be wrong about that.

    • tidderuuf@lemmy.world
      11·
      10 days ago

      There was a convicted criminal now representative in my state that has a YouTube video out of her firing an assault weapon. She was the lead sponsor of the bill that banned assault weapons in our state. On top of that because of her past convictions it is illegal for her to be in possession of a firearm.

      It only makes sense if you don’t look at the shit show behind the curtains.

  • Oxysis/Oxy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    24·
    9 days ago

    I hate my life and I hate this world so much, yes this shithole of a country is one of the worst but others are rapidly sliding to this too. Why couldn’t I have just been born a women and never had to deal with all of this

    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      8·
      9 days ago

      This is in no way to diminish your struggle or do any type of oppression ranking, but the GOP hates cis women too, with anti-abortion laws, putting rapists on the supreme court, aims at removing no fault divorce, the desire to make cis women baby factories who can’t vote or work, etc. Cis hyper religious rich white men are the only things they tend to like.

      • Oxysis/Oxy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        10·
        9 days ago

        They hate cis women less than they hate trans women, they me dead. At least cis women are allowed to live which is an improvement over what I have to deal with. At least other countries will more easily accept cis women in and allow them to exist. Being a cis woman right now isn’t easy but being a trans woman is goddamn hellish.

  • -RJ-@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    10 days ago

    So if the next mass shooting is done by a non-trans person, does that mean non-trans people will be restricted from owning a gun?

    • AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      10 days ago

      Judging from right-wing media, all mass shooters secretly become trans just before pulling the trigger.

      • -RJ-@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 days ago

        So you’re saying that guns make people trans? Surely the right want to stop that too?

  • Furbag@lemmy.world
    22·
    9 days ago

    A republican shoots up a school and nobody sees any issue with Republican ideology, but the second a trans person does we’ve gotta take away the guns, right?

    Lefties and trans folk, arm up. If you haven’t bought your piece yet, start the application process. Once you have it, it becomes almost impossible for them to take it away by force.

    • GreenBottles@lemmy.world
      7·
      9 days ago

      I think you mean the only way they’ll take it is by force, and they will if they choose to do so. You aren’t going to stop a SWAT team (or worse.)

    • InputZero@lemmy.world
      3·
      9 days ago

      Ah see you’re making a common mistake when reading the law. Republican’s shall not be infringed, Democrats shall be infringed. It’s a common mistake to assume the Republicans will respect others rights, they don’t. They want all the rights for themselves and laws to apply to everyone else.

    • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      10·
      9 days ago

      I don’t think Trump is popular for this. The NRA has already come out publicly they are against this. Rednecks hate trans people but they hate anyone who threatens to take guns away from citizens more it looks like.

  • Professorozone@lemmy.world
    14·
    9 days ago

    How would this stop them? Couldn’t they just use the same gun show/online loopholes (the many way ways to acquire a gun in America)everyone else does?

    EDIT: changed the phrasing to more accurately reflect the reality to satisfy people’s dependence on nitpicking details at the cost of understanding the actual point.

    • Event_Horizon@lemmy.world
      19·
      9 days ago

      Probably. I think this is more about providing an excuse for jailing any trans who choose to own a firearm, rather than stopping them

  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
    13·
    9 days ago

    Dems be like: “I allow it”

    Remember: “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” -Karl Marx

    Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.

  • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world
    11·
    9 days ago

    It’s amazing how we’re all told growing up there’s no black and white good and evil. The world doesn’t really have vampires and villains, just people who disagree on what’s right. I’m surprised he hasn’t painted the White House black yet.

    (Yes, I know, but gold doesn’t fit the metaphor)

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      I mean, it’s not like they’re gonna try to stop him. These are just trans people’s rights and democrats only talk about protecting trans rights until they get pushback from bigots.

      Hell, they’ll probably help him.

  • tradingcronjobsforsmack@lemmy.world
    10·
    9 days ago

    Liberals have no one to blame but themselves for causing this situation.

    In order to get any mental health issue insured, a person needs to get a mental health diagnosis.

    Mental health providers almost always diagnose someone with a DSM illness just to get coverage. I have never heard of someone seeing a psychiatrist or therapist and not getting any diagnosis at all.

    Liberals also allowed being transgender to be a DSM illness so that transgender people could get medical coverage, which is a dishonest way of conceptualizing gender identity. It is very hard to get insurance to cover anything without that diagnosis.

    Liberals have then linked gun purchases to a lack of mental health diagnosis in a misguided effort to strip Americans of the right to bear arms instead of encouraging more people to own guns, encouraged gun training, and encouraged free mental health care that has extreme privacy and no links to any status within society.

    As a result, people who want access to guns do not seek mental health care since mental health care is expensive and can limit rights within society. And now those who have naively used mental health services and been labeled in order to get costs covered can be marginalized even more.

    This is a disaster that liberals created by attacking 2nd Amendment rights. Instead of giving transgender people mental health diagnoses when they identify as trans, society should be giving these trans people free health insurance, free therapy that is completely private and will never result in a loss of freedom, and extensive and comprehensive free weapons training.

    People who support trans people and support inclusion need to stop allowing Republican conservative pieces of shit to claim sole support for the 2nd Amendment. This should be a wake up call to all Trans people that if you can legally get armed, do it now, and stop seeing this Mental Health/Liberal coalition suppressing 2nd Amendment rights as being in anyone’s interest. The second amendment was never meant to be limited and radical activist liberals and conservatives have perverted the intent of the founding fathers with the result that good upstanding trans people may lose their right to carry guns.

    • confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      9 days ago

      I have never heard of someone seeing a psychiatrist or therapist and not getting any diagnosis at all.

      I have twice. Two different therapists, after three sessions, told me I was well adjusted and experiencing normal emotional response to stressful events. One told me she saw no reason to schedule additional meetings. The other said I could keep visiting him but he couldn’t bill insurance since there was no diagnosis.

      That said, this story is unique among everyone I’ve ever spoken to about it.

  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    10·
    9 days ago

    Yeah, after all those mass shootings done by transgenders, I understand.

    Wait, how many of the long list of mass shootings were done by transgenders? What is the muder rate in percentage by transgenders compared to sisgenders?