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It’s going to take years to recover, decades even, if ever.
Nothing I hear from my friends in Canada or Europe say otherwise. They’re all willing to dig in their heels and avoid this country like the plague.
Indefinitely.
Even if we elect (heh, like there’ll be real elections going forward) someone else, this stain will stay with us for generations until people forget or forgive, and that’s going to take time, if it ever happens in our lifetimes.
Yes, it’s this. It takes one dick at the top to issue the orders but after he’s dead or voted out we have to reconcile with the thousands of workers who executed the orders, and the millions that sat at home cheering them on.
No thanks, headed to countries that want me to visit not just my dollars.
America doesn’t even want its own citizens, just their dollars. It’s a shit country.
None ever liked dealing with US immigrations anyway.
Yeah I’m coming into your country to go to Disneyland, of course I’m not a terrorist, what a stupid question. Yeah, feel free to drop my iPad, it only cost 2 weeks of earnings, I’m sure I don’t mind.
It’s going to take years to recover, decades even, if ever.
People were vacationing in Japan and Germany practically before the smoke cleared. There’s a few very wild stories of Americans trying to vacation in Afghanistan and Iraq shortly after the US invaded. Trumpism is a bulwark against a tidal wave of foreigners looking to come to America to party. It will be as effective, long term, as his Wall was in keeping out migrant labor.
Even if we elect (heh, like there’ll be real elections going forward) someone else, this stain will stay
FFS, North Korea has a tour guide program - practically by way of attrition. Simply easier for them to formalize the process rather than deal with all the adventure seeking lunatics trying to get smuggled in through the back country.
Las Vegas isn’t any more stained than Dubai or Cairo. The only difference is that the UAE and the Egypt Dictatorship actively court tourists, while the current American DHS seems hell bent on keeping wealthy tourists out.
The North Korean tour program is much more a propoganda play than anything to with them acknowledging that people are going to try to sneak in anyway. It very intentionally only shows tourists the most inoffensive parts of the country.
The North Korean tour program is much more a propoganda play
You could just as easily say that of any city sponsored tour of Washington DC (or, really, any major municipality with a budget for self-promotion). FFS, that’s the core of Israeli Birthright trips.
The difference is that North Koreans generally didn’t want any kind of tourism for decades. They were openly hostile to it in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Modern touring of Pyongyang is a concession to deal with the huge number of foreigners desperately curious to see inside. You’re not visiting because the NK government has tricked you into coming to visit. You’re visiting because you’re captivated by all the crazy stories you’ve heard from SK, Japan, and the US, and you want to evaluate them firsthand.
It very intentionally only shows tourists the most inoffensive parts of the country.
Coming from a country in which we are regularly told everyone in North Korea is on the verge of starving to death at any given moment, the idea that you can walk through the country and not see lines of emaciated homeless children stretching to the horizon is perception-shattering.
Naturally, the US response is to insist our propaganda is true and the Koreans are just trying to trick you into believing otherwise. Even being on the ground and staring at crowds of people living normal lives isn’t enough to shake some people’s convictions. And that leads the more manic folks to try and sneak off, to hassle locals, and to shake them down until they reveal the horrifying truth you’ve been told is just on the other side of what you’ve been told is a crude Potemkin display.
What really gets me is the YouTube videographiers who have to literally walk up to storefront and push on the walls to prove they’re not cardboard, to sample the food to prove its not all a wax display, and to grill locals to prove they aren’t actors. Even then, the comments sections are full of people shouting “Fake! Fake! Fake!”
That whole surreal stubborn disbelief - that North Korea is real and not just an elaborate Kubrick contrived sound stage - is a big part of what brings in thousands of tourists every year to see a country that’s… kinda boring on any close inspection.
Wow, talk about bullshit propaganda. Yeah, go to NK and try and venture away from the “allowed” areas or take video of things you aren’t explicitly show and see what happens. NK visits are ALL propaganda.
you mean like all those youTube videos where literally nothing happens?
Yeah, go to NK and try and venture away from the “allowed” areas
Go to DC and try it. Tell ICE I said "Eat Shit, while they’ve got boots on your neck.
The difference between a tour of DC and a tour of Pyongyang is that you are allowed to just leave the city and go where ever you want in the US, so long as access isn’t restricted because it’s a literal military base. Thing’s aren’t great everywhere in the US, just as with every country, but at least the US doesn’t have a state censorship machine preventing people from talking about the less well off people (well, not yet anyway).
The difference between a tour of DC and a tour of Pyongyang is that you are allowed to just leave the city and go where ever you want in the US
Tell that to the DC paramilitary currently snatching people off the streets.
at least the US doesn’t have a state censorship machine
:-|
A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink
“I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.
“Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”
Most countries are kinda boring on close inspection.
No shit. The whole “potentially being arrested and thrown into a concentration camp because you tweeted something the president doesn’t like” thing kinda puts a damper on tourism.
Spoiler alert, it will last at least a few more years, possibly longer. Trump and his gestapo have made it clear that the US is closed for business as long as he’s in charge. The next great depression is just getting started.
The more I live through it, the more I am buying into belief that history doesn’t repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes…
We are currently experiencing our own twist on the “Roaring ‘20s”, an not particularly looking forward to what the next next couple of decades will bring.
Nah, what we’re experiencing is more in line with the early 1930s. In Germany.
“As long as he’s in charge” and beyond. That orange clown proved the world that with the current political system in the US, no deal make sense. Every accord is useless, a visa means nothing. The first lunatic president can change the rules on a whim, it’s not safe to do business or even to travel to the US. Even if the current dictator is overthrown by a smart and sane person, without changing deeply all the political system, everything can disappear at the next election.
do these experts get payed for these complex infos? any hiring?
Who the fuck thought it was going to improve after summer?
Every month brings us closer to natural causes.
uhhh yeah that’s what we’ve been saying
we’re not coming back. fuck you guys. give us a solid decade of excellent behaviour and make up for your threats to take us over, and we’ll consider thinking about making a plan to return
It’s appropriate that corporate barons in airlines, hotels and restaurant industries that have long funded Republicans for deregulation and union busting and poverty wages. They’re now getting the full side of the coin which includes:
- their chosen party destroying perceptions of safety and desirability to popular tourist destinations by claiming they are warzones while he deploys precious military resources to create said zones,
- their chosen party arresting, deporting and discouraging the employment base of hotels and restaurants. No one else is going to do the work.
- their chosen party doing incalculable damage to the reputation of the US higher education system and it’s reputation by removing science and academic freedom norms by trying to politicize science, admission and revoke the first amendment.
- their chosen party during travel into dystopian reality where social media accounts, your sexuality or your political beliefs determine how or whether you may be admitted to the US.
Airlines will be devastated with reduction in local (poverty wages, can’t afford flights) and international travelers. Hotels will suffer as they should. I hope restaurant owners are decimated.
Have the economy and society you voted for you greedy, selfish, disgusting fucks.
the US higher education system and it’s reputation
While I wholeheartedly agree with your comment, I cannot help but notice the irony in that particular bit.
It’s similar to the irony of Google’s keyboard autocorrect inserting an error when the user knows better. I typed all that on mobile and even got bullets to format, I’m proud!
Whole list of things where the rules were put in for a reason, but people forgot the reasons, and now they want to get rid of them. Sometimes while calling GK Chesterton a conservative intellectual and forgetting about his fence analogy.
Why, yes, it was all shaving the sharpest edges off of capitalism. It was the only way this system could even possibly work, and they’re dismantling it.
Oh, we’re not coming back.
Tourists could also go to North Korea, but for some reason it doesn’t draw crowds, I wonder why.
The World Travel & Tourism Council projected ahead of Memorial Day that the U.S. would be the only country among the 184 it studied where foreign visitor spending would fall in 2025.
I see… so this is what Makes America Great Again. Falling tourism spending.
As a US citizen, good. Our government will just keep being assholes unless people shun them (by taking away their money).
Years. If not decades. You did this to yourself.
Why would it? The problem is still there. Even if Trump was gone tomorrow the Republicans that put all this in motion would still be in charge.
It’s going to take a new government, several arrests, a change of the constitution so that this can never happen again, and at least 10 years of stability before the world trusts the US again.
Lol who tf are these experts!?!? I coulda told you that for half the price!
I’ll do it for about tree fidy
Id do it for a free tidy
What is wrong with people from abroad who don’t want to be detained and cavity searched? In my day, this was the definition of a great vacation.
