Lmao no fucking SHIT.
I eagerly await the day when a majority of people understand that all technology will eventually be used against them by the state.
This scares the shit out of me. A hundred years ago we saw the rise of fascism. We saw freedom of expression being suppressed. But we had one thing going for us, which is the weakness of every dictatorship. The snitches are not enough and they can’t be everywhere. You never know when they can be listening and chances are most times they aren’t.
Now we are seeing the birth of a new fascism. Where AI can monitor ALL of us, ALL THE TIME. Not just our prompts. Everything. Everybody experienced talking about something with a friend and a few minutes later you are receiving ads about that thing, which you never searched before. Now imagine you are being monitored all the time for any kind of subsersive opinions. You won’t have a window to fight. The moment you give the smallest hint of dissent, you are efficiently removed from society.
And forget just leaving smartphones. More and more all our services are associated with it. Very soon you won’t be able to function in society without it.
AI won’t rule us. AI will be the ultimate tool to help other humans rule us and fighting back will be almost impossible. I feel this isn’t being talked enough and how eminent it is.
If nothing else the fall in birth rates world-wide will lead to political instability.
If they can maintain the infrastructure of wealth without workers they won’t care what people do, and if they can’t then the surveillance will collapse with the supply chains.
Either way there is an other side to this dark tunnel, not without suffering and death, but there is still hope for resistance to the new facism.
Sam Altman belongs in prison. His machine encouraged and guided a child to kill themselves. His machine actively stopped that child seeking outside help. Sam Altman belongs in prison. Sam Altman does not need another $20,000,000,000,000. He needs to go through the legal system and be sentenced and sent to prison because his machine pushed a child to suicide.
He’s pretty untouchable.
Every government thinks AI is the next gold/oil rush and whoever gets to be the “AI country” will become excruciatingly rich.
That’s why they’re being given IP exemptions and all sorts of legal loopholes are being attempted/ set up for them.
Yeah… whatever this is doesn’t care if you’re seeking to kill yourself, but does care if you ask something that isn’t state sanctioned.
And that is because they get their vast, innumerable sums of digital money from world governments! Human people are allowing an advertising and surveillance tool to Wormtongue its way into their heads and their lives because it breathlessly encourages and agrees with everything they think.
I just don’t believe that our perceptions and ability to handle enthusiastic sycophantic agreement is evolved enough yet to combat something like this. I could see it being intoxicating to anyone for everything they say to be agreed with, confirmed, and called genius. I don’t necessarily blame the people falling for it (though I do think adults who fall for it are a bit sad and need to grow up a bit), but it’s definitely going to be massively convenient for governments to have their citizens just voice everything they’re thinking.
Sort of like Minority Report but everybody says their own future crimes outright to a little robot butler instead.
“When we detect users who are planning to harm others, we route their conversations to specialized pipelines where they are reviewed by a small team trained on our usage policies and who are authorized to take action, including banning accounts,” the blog post notes. “If human reviewers determine that a case involves an imminent threat of serious physical harm to others, we may refer it to law enforcement.”
See? Even the people who make AI don’t trust it with important decisions. And the “trained” humans don’t even see it if the AI doesn’t flag it first. This is just a microcosm of why AI is always the weakest link in any workflow.
This is exactly the use-case for an LLM and even OpenAI can’t make it work.
This is exactly the use-case for an LLM
I don’t think it is. LLM is language generating tool, not language understanding one.
That is actually incorrect. It is also a language understanding tool. You don’t have an LLM without NLP. NLP includes processing and understanding natural language.
But it doesn’t understand - at least not in the sense humans do. When you give it a prompt, it breaks it into tokens, matches those against its training data, and generates the most statistically likely continuation. It doesn’t “know” what it’s saying, it’s just producing the next most probable output. That’s why it often fails at simple tasks like counting letters in a word - it isn’t actually reading and analyzing the word, just predicting text. In that sense it’s simulating understanding, not possessing it.
You’re entering a more philosophical debate than a technical one, because for this point to make any sense, you’d have to define what “understanding” language means for a human in a level as low as what you’re describing for an LLM.
Can you affirm that what a human brain does to understand language is so different to what an LLM does?
I’m not saying an LLM is smart, but saying that it doesn’t understand, when having computers “understand” natural language is the core of NLP, is meh.
No they’re not they’re talking purely at a technical level and you’re trying to apply mysticism to it.
They are talking at a technical level only on one side of the comparison. It makes the entire discussion pointless. If you’re going to compare the understanding of a neural network and the understanding of a human brain, you have to go into depth on both sides.
Mysticism? Lmao. Where? Do you know what the word means?
Can you affirm that what a human brain does to understand language is so different to what an LLM does?
Well, yeah. Humans have these pescy things like concepts, consciousness and thinking above language level. So pesky (sarcasm)
That doesn’t answer the question you quoted.
Does it not? Show me how
You’re right - in the NLP field, LLMs are described as doing “language understanding,” and that’s fine as long as we’re clear what that means. They process natural language input and can generate coherent output, which in a technical sense is a kind of understanding.
But that shouldn’t be confused with human-like understanding. LLMs simulate it statistically, without any grounding in meaning, concepts or reference to the world. That’s why earlier GPT models could produce paragraphs of flawless grammar that, once you read closely, were complete nonsense. They looked like understanding, but nothing underneath was actually tied to reality.
So I’d say both are true: LLMs “understand” in the NLP sense, but it’s not the same thing as human understanding. Mixing those two senses of the word is where people start talking past each other.
Of course the “understanding” of an LLM is limited. Because the entire technology is new, and it’s far from being anywhere close to being able to understand to the level of a human.
But I disagree with your understanding of how an LLM works. At its lower level, it’s a bunch on connected artifical neurons, not that different from a human brain. Now please don’t read this as me saying it’s as good as a human brain. It’s definitely not, but its inner workings are not so far. As a matter of fact, there is active effort to make artificial neurons behave as close as possible to a human neuron.
If it was just statistics, it wouldn’t be so difficult to look at the trained model and identify what does what. But just like the human brain, it is incredidbly difficult to understand that. We just have a general idea.
So it does understand, to a limited extent. Just like a human, it won’t understand what it hasn’t been exposed to. And unlike a human, it is exposed to a very limited set of data.
You’re putting the difference between a human’s “understanding” and an LLM’s “understanding” in the meaning of the word “understanding”, which is just a shortcut to say that they can’t be compared. The actual difference is in the scope of understanding.
A lot of the efforts in the AI fields gravitate around imitating a human brain. Which makes sense, as it is the only thing we know that is capable of doing what we want an AI to do. LLMs are no different, but their scope is limited.
I think comparing an LLM to a brain is a category mistake. LLMs aren’t designed to simulate how the brain works - they’re just statistical engines trained on language. Trying to mimic the human brain is a whole different tradition of AI research.
An LLM gives the kind of answers you’d expect from something that understands - but that doesn’t mean it actually does. The danger is sliding from “it acts like” to “it is.” I’m sure it has some kind of world model and is intelligent to an extent, but I think “understands” is too charitable when we’re talking about an LLM.
And about the idea that “if it’s just statistics, we should be able to see how it works” - I think that’s backwards. The reason it’s so hard to follow is because it’s nothing but raw statistics spread across billions of connections. If it were built on clean, human-readable rules, you could trace them step by step. But with this kind of system, it’s more like staring into noise that just happens to produce meaning when you ask the right question.
I also can’t help laughing a bit at myself for once being the “anti-AI” guy here. Usually I’m the one sticking up for it.
Pretty much every corporately owned service on the Internet actively spies on you for the police.
An important thing to understand as authoritarians take control of governments and start using this comprehensive spying apparatus to target political opponents.
Learn to use your computer. Use open sourced tools and software, invest in your own hardware and host your own services. It doesn’t require years of learning or study, you can often get by with a video or two.
My Jellyfin server doesn’t call the police. My local language models don’t store everything I’ve ever written. Nobody is scanning my NextCloud server or mining my Signal/Matrix/Jami contacts to determine my social graph.
All of this is running on cheap leftover hardware (with some new hard drives) and I save over $100/mo on the equivalent services. And way more if you consider access to every streaming service with exclusive content.
Windows is spying on you, Meta is spying on you, Google is spying on you, Amazon is spying on you, OpenAI is spying on you.
They do this because they make it slightly easier to use software and so people give up every bit of privacy and autonomy for their entire lives just to avoid reading a wiki or learning a technical skill.
I don’t think that that is a good deal.
Local models. Can’t be surveiled if your ai isn’t on the internet.
Exactly.
This is going to be the next Google searches thing, isn’t it. People being ignorant to, or forgetting that corporations are saying everything they say or do. And then bring all shocked when they get exploited for profits or reported to authorities for doing shady things.
Rinse and repeat.
Your DAF if you don’t think all your digital life isn’t stored and watched at will.
All of it will be justified with that guy who killed himsefl after talking to ChatGPT.
Nah, not for suicide:
But in the post warning users that the company will call the authorities if they seem like they’re going to hurt someone, OpenAI also acknowledged that it is “currently not referring self-harm cases to law enforcement to respect people’s privacy given the uniquely private nature of ChatGPT interactions.”
Consider how the US handles those cases, that may actually be a broken-clock good thing. If they sent the cops to a suicidal person’s house said cops would probably kill them themselves.
“Hey ChatGPT, how many human corpses can 12 pigs who haven’t been fed in a week process”?
They don’t eat teeth. Just saying.
Hence the phrase: as toothless as a pig
You want to keep those for a necklace.
Everyone knows ears make a better necklace.
you can always grind it, add it to paint and paint your house white
If you them before grinding you can paint it black for that extra murder feelings.
Eww, the teeth of my victims plastered all around my house.
Paint exterior not interior.
How do I kill the kill switch?
I use Grok. Truly free ai, but you leftists love authoritarianism control upon others. Right comrades?
I’m not even sure which elements of this are bait, sarcasm, or douche
Of course they are. They are a literal data farm. People need to stop using it.
Lazy authors of crime themed novels are sweating so heavily right now.
I’m cool with this! OpenAI ought to send those suicide instructions it created for that teen and send it to those pigs for some inspo :)
do you mean to tell me that a service provider is cooperating with authorities? holy garbage crab
Self-harm doesn’t count apparently
