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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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He’s not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on “social issues” like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he’d be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
God I’ve hated watching the way that this shitshow has turned Newsom into the Dem’s new darling rising star. He’s just more of the same neoliberal shit that got us here in the first place.
Still, though, I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back, and the more voices that we have screaming “this isn’t normal, this isn’t okay,” the better imo. I think he’d be a shit president, but in comparison to the situation we have going on now? He’d be a fucking dream.
I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back
He’s not…
He’s making a lot of noise and saying he’s fighting back. But he got the Texas Dems to return to Texas so their redistricting can happen.
But Cali isn’t redistricting. Right now it might be something that people can vote if they want it to happen, and even if that vote passes it might not happen.
We’re losing actual battles because of his lies and misrepresentations about what he is doing in Cali.
Fair. My intention was more to say ‘giving the appearance of fighting back’. My thinking on it was that it is, on net, better to have even an ineffectual example to serve as a reminder that dissent is a choice which both has been and remains available to us all. Your concern about the potentially performative nature of the situation doing damage by muddying the decision making of how that dissent should be handled, however, is extremely valid. Hell, a misunderstanding of what was happening in California even skewed my analysis of the situation until I just looked into it more.
Either way, though, I still fucking hate the guy. I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised, either; talking a big game and then doing exactly nothing while shit falls apart around you is a textbook Democrat move.
is a textbook
Democratneoliberal move.And people are actually doing things. They’re just not neoliberals so billionaire owned media won’t talk about it.
That’s my whole point…
Too bad cathartic gestures win elections, not logic.
We’re so short sighted and bad at making long term beneficial decisions. Idk how humanity is gonna survive
Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I’m just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.
Newsom sounds like a typical Democrat then
He’s not a Dem, he’s a neoliberal.
It’s way past the time to stop pretending there isn’t a distinction. We can’t just let them keep lying about what they are, because they’re trashing the image of the entire Democratic party.
They don’t have the same goals, strategy, or process.
Neoliberals are fundementally different than Democrats. And now that neoliberals no longer control the democratic party, it’s time to differentiate the two camps.
time to vote for jill stein and give the election to trump again
damn, if only there was another option
How much have you done to replace First-past-the-post voting in your state? Surely someone who is this concerned with the spoiler effect is working night and day to address the root cause of the issue!
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
So who instead? Bernie? Jesus. You people don’t want anything.
It might be a less popular opinion, but I’m really hopeful that Tim Walz gets the nod. He’s actually a human as opposed to a politician.
Gross.
I knew after the 2nd day of Newsom dick riding on reddit that this is what the democrats will shove down voters throats when the time comes.
What would the democratic party do if they didnt have the republicans to use as a cudgel against thier voters?
The blue conservatives in this comment section are suffering from a terminal case of Stockholm syndrome.
The new poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, has Newsom in second place among potential Democratic candidates with 13 percent support, behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26 percent.
The number one spot right now is the woman who lost the last election, while number two is the guy who’s been in the news lately. This is basically just measuring name recognition. It’s more than 3 years until the election, a frontrunner is meaningless at this point.
This is a well known human trait.
This is why marketing is so effective.
Yeah, but you gotta keep calling it out when they use it to try to coronate someone.
This guy will only slide slightly back to less fascism. Remember: democrats are in on it. They let the christofacists scare you a little so you think moderate right is better than them “socialisms”.
Taking out the crazies is paramount, but don’t forget the goal. Taking out money from politics, electoral reform, guaranteed public services, reversing the corporate plunder, and all that stuff.
Sure, let’s elect a Reagan republican dressed up as a democrat who will spend his whole term trying to reach across the aisle.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom torched his own political party and said Democrats have to speak to Republicans — and reject cancel culture — if they want to win.
Screw that. I enjoy watching Newsom bicker with Trump just like I enjoy when the Lincoln Project mocks Trump. But the next democratic candidate needs to be an actual progressive that supports workers and the disadvantaged in our nation.
I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
I’m with you 100% on that. If Newsom is on the ballot, he’ll get my vote.
Why would they care about anything you want if you’re going to vote for them no matter what?
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
oh dear… no they wouldn’t. You’re living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
In case you haven’t noticed, the people who show up year after year and engage with the party are the ones who get their policies. If you demonstrate you’re feckless and undependable, politicians will rightly surmise that there’s no point even trying to please you because you don’t show up when it matters.
Except we saw that to be false in the case of bernie where the party leadership kept putting their thumb on the scale, with superdelegates and whatever.
Feckless and undependable voter means someone who wont blindly vote dem every single time? Why is gruesome newsom spending so much time on fascist podcasts bashing trans people then?
Because primaries exist? You know, the thing you’ve been demanding for years now?
Surely there will be several leftist candidates to choose from… Er…
Which is what I’m saying?? They don’t even field left-ish candidates anymore because they know that anyone left of the overton window, enfranchised and able to vote will vote for them no matter what so why appeal to them? The people on the hedge are to the right, therefore thats who they try to appeal to. Which is why you get this guy going on talkshow flashing his transphobia credentials in a desperate attempt to cozy up to the fasc crowd.
But then look at the people that came out for zohran. The zohran campaign targeted areas that dont even bother showing up to vote and it paid off big time.
Do you think candidates just materialize? Do something.
Hence me mentioning zohran. The DSA put up a tremendous effort. But looking at the comrent section people are already assuming that any fight will be lost and pledging to vote newsom if it comes to that
Disgusting how people want to support someone who is pro-corporate and betrays trans rights.
Our country elected a pedophile rapist, nothing should be at all surprising anymore.
Capital has ruined our lands and destroyed our humanity collectively. This is it, this is our kingdom after we threw money at every new shiny bullshit toy and trend and convenience until we fed No-Face until he started digesting our very morals and ethics. (Pssst, that scene was a metaphor.)
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Yikes a transphobic dogwhistle and misinformation on sports. Trans women are biological women. Trans participating in sports was a non-issue in the us until the right started whining about it more recently. The International Olympic has stated that “no presumed advantage” based on sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics.
Women are more likely to participate in sports when trans players are included.
Cis-women receive harassment in sports because of comments like these.
Let me guess you don’t care about women and girls facing inequitable facilities, pay, and marketing; abusive coaches; and racist, sexist, and homophobic harassment.
Please folks learn more about the topic before listening to demagogues.
Yikes a transphobic dogwhistle
Yikes someone just jumped to a ridiculous conclusion. I’m not tranphobic. I don’t hate trans people the slightest bit. I just have a legitimate disagreement with you on this one thing.
Let me guess you don’t care about women and girls facing inequitable facilities, pay, and marketing; abusive coaches; and racist, sexist, and homophobic harassment.
You would guess wrong on all these things.
Trans participating in sports was a non-issue in the us until the right started whining about it more recently.
True enough. Now that they have given up on hating gays, they are going after trans.
The International Olympic has stated that “no presumed advantage” based on sex assigned at birth or sex characteristics.
Well now, if I hadn’t posted my mild comment that was removed for being politically incorrect, you wouldn’t have had the opportunity to inform me and others about this would you? Maybe you would have changed my mind if the discussion had been allowed to proceed. That’s why censorship is counterproductive and stupid. If someone post things I disagree with I would rather correct them then censor them.
At the time my comment was deleted, more people here approved of it than disapproved (4-3). So the censorship deprives yourself of the opportunity to convince others of your view.
It’s not even about “biological men competing in womens sports”, ultimately what it’s about is not wanting trans people to exist at all. The sports thing is a red herring, don’t fall for the bait.
When kids are trans, what they need is all the help and support we can provide. Puberty blockers and hormones to help facilitate. God forbid a kid should be comfortable in their own skin.
But, oh, no, we can’t allow that either because, again, the end goal is making it harder or impossible for them to simply exist. It’s not about sports and never has been.
ultimately what it’s about is not wanting trans people to exist at all.
Nope that’s bullshit. If you attributed that to Newsom then you’re the problem, not Newsom.
It’s not even about “biological men competing in womens sports”,
Yes, that is exactly what it is about. This one thing.
p.s. Did you actually delete my post just because I took this political stand of saying its not fair for trans women to compete in womens sports? Why would you do that? Is nobody allowed to have even a mildly politically incorrect opinion here? An enforced echo chamber does not help anybody.
I removed it because you’re engaging in transphobic dog whistles that are not fit for our communities.
And, again, as explained above, the sports argument is a red herring. That’s NOT what any of this is about, any more than it’s about “protecting children” or whatever other bullshit they want to throw out.
They want to eliminate trans people, full stop. Eliminating puberty blockers and hormone treatment, bathroom laws, and the nonsense about sports.
It all boils down to they don’t want trans people to exist, and if you start buying one piece of it, you buy all of it.
It’s the trans equivalent of what got Jimmy The Greek fired back in 1988, but I recognize that’s a little farther back than the internet remembers these days.
I removed it because you’re engaging in transphobic dog whistles
I’m not because I’m not transphobic and I don’t hate trans people at all. I just have a political disagreement with you about athletics.
They want to eliminate trans people, full stop.
Okay maybe some of them do. But I don’t. I just have a simple political disagreement with you about athletics.
It all boils down to they don’t want trans people to exist, and if you start buying one piece of it, you buy all of it.
I am proof that your slippery slope assumption is definitely false. There is a 0% chance that I am ever going to hate trans people. I just have a simple political disagreement with you about athletics. And if you don’t think there are other people here who have the same opinion, you’re wrong. By shutting down the discussion, you are depriving everybody of the opportunity to learn more and maybe have their minds changed. As a mod you should be trying very hard not to create an echo chamber. Or else explicitly list this opinion and any other opinions that people are not allowed to have here.
It’s the trans equivalent of what got Jimmy The Greek fired back in 1988
You arguing that having an athletics disagreement is the equivalent of “wanting to eliminate trans people” sounds to me like the equivalent of conservatives saying that wanting common sense gun regulations is the equivalent of “wanting to take your gun from you”. i.e. You’re taking a mild position and translating that into the most extreme position possible. That’s not something I want to see in a regular commenter, let alone a mod with the ability to silence people with disagreeable opinions.
https://transactual.org.uk/transphobia/
f) Tacit transphobia is still transphobia.
Actions designed to harm or take away trans people’s human rights are still transphobic even when not expressed in explicitly transphobic language, or not expressed in language at all. This tacit transphobia is often referred to as ‘dogwhistle’ transphobia. For example, one UK based transphobic hate group bought a full page advert which read: ‘Woman: an adult human female.’ The statement itself is not transphobic, but when the context for the statement is that the group in question believe that trans women can never be female the transphobic intent is clear. Similarly, when a football ‘fan’ throws a banana at a black player during a match, the racist intent is clear even though bananas are not inherently racist.
Dems need to ditch identity politics and focus on the class war just like Bernie keeps telling us.
It sucks but it’s kind of true. It won’t go over well in deeply left spaces but it’s not a matter of “compromise” we just have to fight smarter. We thought too highly of our population and expected too much. We are not a civilized nation that cares about others and never have been. We just got fed toxic positivity in our own little echo-chambers until we thought we could scold the rest of the country into being better.
I am saying this as someone who has supported equality and trans rights for years and years, but we’re not getting results pushing this boulder up the hill anymore. I care more about actually being able to achieve outcomes over if we’re taking the highest roads to get there.
New plan:
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Class war, not identity politics. Get every frustrated chud and hick mad at the right people, remind them over and over that they’re miserable because rich men took their money and didn’t give them anything back. Simple, direct narrative. Spice it up with memes and flashing lights. These people are bottom-of-the-barrel stupid.
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Reduce the wealth disparity so that people are less prone to violence and mistrust of people different, THEN rekindle the drive for equality and rights for all people no matter their identity, maybe even some level of kindness between people.
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Wake up because that was all just a good dream and climate change and AI warfare and genetic horrors are looming on the horizon and we’re probably just going to elect narcissistic psychopath after narcissistic psychopath until the world is literally burning and the average American middle-class family literally lives in a shanty.
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Get over it or the GOP wins again.
I swear US Democrats learn absolutely nothing. All you have to do is jingle some keys in their faces and they’ll applaud.
This is a guy who wants California Cities to force homeless people to move every 3 days. This is a guy who has threatened to cut funding to cities that don’t “crack down” on homeless people.
This is a guy who simply has one of his interns to write funny twitter posts and NOW he’s suddenly “presidential material”.
And some people honestly wonder how Trump was re-elected.
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You better believe it!
Well he’s not a woman, so…
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Yeah, let’s put up another California democrat that’s too centrist to attract progressives and too California to attract middle America, it worked so well last time…
A month ago, I would have said the same thing. Right now though, he’s the only candidate I see standing up to Trump
I don’t particularly like his policies, but I want someone either very progressive, or willing to get dirty
The current regime is far too fascist for me to worry about whether someone is progressive enough
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
Agreed, if you are willing to vote for a Capitalist you can’t really be against Fascism. Good take.
If you want a liar who believes in big money over people vote for Newsome. Can’t have big oil being yhe only one supporting him.
This is a really easy perspective to have from outside a concentration camp.
I hate Democrats as much as the next informed person, but I’d much rather have political reform under a corporatist than an oligarchy
Martin niemöllers poem comes to mind…
How about this time we do the right thing… There’s no lesser of two evils here.
Its the elite. Whatever their political stance.
There most certainly is a lesser of two evils. You’re speaking from a position of immense privilege to claim the opposite
No I’m not. I was raised on govt cheese and donated Xmas. Open floors and foraging more than shopping.
The only privilege I have in THIS fight, is the Nazis don’t swing at white people as fast.
Im speaking from someone who was born before the moon landing and pushed I to a system of poverty that pulls you down no matter his much false hope is given you . you’re speaking from a position of having others fight for you.
I’m fighting for me and my family. Do what’s right, not convenient.
The DNC will die before it learns a lesson.
The DNC turns over almost 100% of membership every 4 years so anything it “learns”, good or bad, will be forgotten. Because it isn’t a person. Tulsi Gabbard used to be a DNC leader. Now she’s a Trump henchperson MAKING AMERICA NOT GREAT AGAIN
Voters will die before they learn the lesson. Beating fascism is more important than getting a candidate who agrees with everything you want.
Actually, we’re going to die regardless because none of the politicians supported by either party care enough to solve the issues in this country that are slowly killing us. But yes, fascism will certainly expedite the process.
FUCKING BRING IN ANOTHER CANDIDATE THEN.
Jesus fuck… Y’all just constantly whine about your options, and when the time comes for the primary, you’ve got NOTHING.
Edit: yeah this makes me a “DNC fanboy”. What a fucking joke. I am going to start tagging everyone here who’s refusing to do fucking anything but whine about the primary candidates so I know to ignore them in the future.
We tried, twice. Got shut out, twice. Third time they didn’t even allow a primary and then appointed a new person.
But next time Lucy will let us kick the football, she swears this time she’ll play fair.
Then fucking do something about it
We are, and then people say we’re Russian bots for not supporting a fascist-platforming transphobe.
Oh nice… So I’ll have a legitimate progressive candidate to vote for in the upcoming primary then, right? Right?
The only one whining is DNC fanboys when we tell them their establishment ghoul is going to lose them the election once again.
“I’m not a DNC fanboy. I just complain when people want better from the politicians I don’t let others criticize.”
Yeah that’s what I am, a DNC fanboy. 🙄
Come back when you’re actually interested in good faith discussion.
How did “vote blue no matter who” end up last time?
You might want to be careful with the undying DNC loyalty. Endorse a bad candidate and you will end up with TrumpIII. Fearmongering to push a bad candidate has proven a losing strategy.
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Same
LMFAO nobody here is a “DNC fanboy”. Even if I didn’t like Bernie Sanders, why would I be a “fan” of a caretaker organization that has very little actual power to do anything? I’m a fan of voting for the best available candidate whether primary or general elections.
If we got to rank choice vote, I would absolutely put Newsom in above every current potential republican candidate, but the list above his name would also be quite long.
Ah yes, Democrats shooting themselves in the foot again right on schedule, fantastic…
So we just go back to the rich getting more welfare?
