• MetalMachine@feddit.nl
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    4 months ago

    Just because Trump is terrible it doesn’t make Biden any better. We’re talking about a genocide enabler here. Ffs.

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      The evangelist voting block forces any potential candidate to be pro Israel.

      Biden was fine. Not great, not bad. Just fine.

      Trump is the worst president in the history of America. Unbelievable he was voted in twice.

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        No. Biden wasn’t fine. Because we don’t call people who support and enable genocide as “fine” we call them bad.

        But what it seems like to me is that a lot of people only care when it effects them, they don’t care when it’s people outside their country or some brown people somewhere.

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      Oh no! This candid human moment between two men is surely proof of liberal embrace of fascism! How could I have been so wrong as to not see it when it’s so simple and the proof is in this photo!

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    Libs are willing to support genocide as long as their personal privilege is maintained. That’s a big part of how liberalism supports fascism. Trump is just a continuation of Biden.

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      Yeah, leftists would never support genocide in order to protect their own power structure. Except for that one time… Or that other time… And also…

      But i’m sure you’d never see leftist college students TODAY running around LARPing as murderous ethno-nationalists.

      But man, those liberals… Crazy, right?!

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      i’m neither for or against it, personally i’m ambivalent, because i’m not middle eastern, jewish, nor do i live in the middle east, nor anywhere near it. It’s literally a waste of brain power to think about it.

      Of course, arguing that i think killing people is good, is fucking stupid, obviously that’s bad. But there are reasons people are being killed, and i’m not delegating that problem to myself, considering i have literally no relation. You would have to find a genuinely insane person to agree with that fact, so there’s no point in even entertaining it on a factual basis.

      Would it be nice if israel stopped bombing palestine? Yeah, would it be nice if the US stopped arming them? Yeah, does that ultimately make a difference in regards to the conflict? No. I don’t think anything you did today, even if you managed a complete ceasefire on good terms, would make a good faith effort to stop this conflict. It’s a brutal conflict, there is no easy to solve it.

      Reverse ethnic cleansing of israel is not really a good solution either, for several reasons. Notably morals. Likewise yeeting palestine off the map isn’t productive either.

      Ultimately though, both of the parties are willing to fight, and one of them just keeps losing, over and over. At some point they did this to themselves, and i’m not sure where that point is. (granted, israel has committed numerous war crimes throughout this conflict, i’m not absolving them of that one either, don’t worry) neither party is particularly intelligent here.

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    The number of people who are seemingly ignorant of any of the actual politics of Joseph is alarming. Democratic aligned politics has devolved to the same level of Republican politics in the sense of metrics and language. “Economy good” is an absolutely wild way to summarize Joe’s politics and the impact on politics that he had. He was a conservative man. From his earliest days as a politician, he was conservative. He played a not insignificant role in creating the modern political landscape. Including in essentially running interference for Clarence Thomas during his initial candidacy for the Supreme Court (Thomas had dozens of credible allegations of sexual harassment and sexual misconduct). Biden was notoriously pro colonialism throughout the entirety of his political career, including active support of Israel and its colonization of Palestine going back to the 70s. He spent decades campaigning on anti-crime discourse that prioritized higher budgets for police to spend targeting minority communities, a fact he was absolutely aware of.

    The political legacy of this man is not “Economy good”. It is a lifelong career against workers rights, minority rights and pushing conservative agendas within the democratic party against leftist ones. His term as president did not see any degree of preparation for the rise of fascism. He played a significant role in the failures of the democratic party during the election campaign. Refusing to step aside, proving his own incompetence over and over again, refusing to push a progressive platform, refusing to denounce colonialism and genocide, and ultimately playing into many of the same political talking points of American fascists. Joe Biden is a stain on American history. He spent his last 4 years of political relevancy fighting against workers rights and protecting international genocidal institutions. All the while he made an absolute mockery of the institutions of political power in the united states and helped truly ring the funeral bell of American trust in federal institutions.

    Let his failure be a galvanizing lesson about all the failures of American liberalism. Leftism is the only true political opposition to fascism. This election was not lost because democrats went woke. It was lost because they refused to change. It was lost because of their own blatant hypocrisy and refusal to campaign on working class politics and humanitarianism. Liberal conservatism handed the reigns to fascism.

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    Actually sweatie there’s no difference between liberals and conservatives, Trump isn’t doing anything the LIBS wouldn’t have done and minorities are no worse off than they were before, also Bernie is controlled opposition and a shitlib

    /s

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      Here I go again, taking the bait.

      • Trump put the lie to the Democrats’ claims about wanting to end the war in Gaza
      • The Democrats would never dare to upset Capital like Trump just did. (Trump will of course always capitulate in the end as he has done here)
      • Bernie is old and tired. He says a lot of the right things but he keeps trying to work within the fully captured DNC.
      • Minorities in the imperial core are surely worse off. It remains to be seen if Trump’s attacks on the soft power apparatus are sufficient to free the Global South from Western exploitation. (I am aware there is some actual aid in there with the labor suppression, coups and propaganda media. Both seem to be being dismantled)
      • I doubt anyone could destroy USA’s international prestige and credibility as quickly as Trump has
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        Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws

        Surely the dems are just as bad.

        • Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that

        Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.

        Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.

        Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.

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          Trump did Capital a favor by A. Dismantling Consumer Protection Agencies B. Destroying regulations left and right C. Doing a 180 on coal and oil D. Dismantling labour laws

          I certainly agree that all those policies favor Capital.

          Surely the dems are just as bad.

          The Democrats haven’t struck a real blow against Capital since FDR. The pattern is basically: they do something small with great fanfare, leave a bunch of carve outs for friendly interests, then roll over once there is any resistance. I invite you to provide a counter example from the past 70 years

          • Minorities in the Imperial core are worse off. Hey, at least you can acknowledge that

          Glad we agree.

          Now, i am sure People in global south are happy about finally not having access to Aids medication or famine relief :) cool.

          This has been discussed elsewhere in this thread. Here’s a fun piece to add: Which president started the global AIDS initiative?

          Now they can just safely drop into the arms of Russian or Chinese Influence. Like we have seen in West Africa, where the situation for people has improved by exactly 0% since the dictators in power are now backed by Russia.

          Do we actually know what the material conditions are on the ground in the new Sahel states? Seems we have been subject to a media blackout about it. I’m personally cautiously optimistic because of their strong stance against neocolonialism but we have very little information. It’s also worth pointing out that despite Russia and China being close strategic allies at the world level, their foreign policies are wildly different.

          Trump ended the war in Gaza? Funny, to my knowledge, the genocide is continuing.

          What’s actually funny is how the libs in this thread keep missing my actual point. I definitely never said he ended the war, but he did get the ceasefire done that Joe Biden claimed to have been working on for years. Donald Trump claims to not give a shit about the Palestinians yet got the ceasefire done. Joe “Proud Zionist” Biden claims to care about the plight of the Palestinians yet did less to end their suffering. The point is that Democratic lip service is often worse or equivalent to the Republicans’ more honest cruelty, especially in foreign policy

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            The “new” sahel states are going great: In Mali, Wagner Troops shoot civilians, Malian Refugees get raped while trying to cross the border into Niger and there are still large scale famines. Elections have been abolished, because Goïta just knows best.

            In Niger, the nationalization of the Uranium Mines was never fully realized, instead it’s used as an insurance policy for the new Junta to stay in power. As long as foreign Powers acknowledge the legitimacy of the Junta, they can keep extracting Uranium. The main trigger for this coup wasnt “anti-neocolonialism”, but the impending replacement of Tchiani as Head of the Presidential Guard. This guard conducted a coup and to noones surprise, the new Head of State is now Tchiani.

            In Guinea, the current Junta first claimed, they’d hold elections in 2024 to transition back to civilian government. Now they claim to do in 2026. Meanwhile, they are busy pardoning convicted warcriminals (copying the trump playbook here). Economically, no improvement has happened.

            Let’s go to Burkina Faso: Wagner is incapable of holding the insurgency back. Djibo, supplied by air lift until the expulsion of the French Airforce, is right now turning into Leningrad. Traoré’s initial reason for both his coups and the expulsion of the French was a lack of success in repelling this Islamic Insurgency. The situation is now worse than it has been in 2021. Oh, and again, Elections were pushed back until 2029.

            They replaced French Neocolonialism with Russian Neocolonialism, called it liberation and then its business as usual. Top down oppression, selling off natural resources in order to finance your own grip on power and maybe a different flavor of ethnic violence.