Europe has survived 3 energy shocks in 4 years. The only way out is to stop buying power from its enemies | Fortune
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Oil above $100. Gas prices up 70%. Every crisis has a different trigger—and the same vulnerability. Europe must become the world's first Electro-Continent.
  • ExLisperAEnglish
    134·
    19 days ago

    Nah, we’ll just buy gas from US and postpone electrification of transport couple decades. What could go wrong?

    • kurcatovium@piefed.socialEnglish
      8·
      19 days ago

      I would electrify my transport in a heartbeat, if only it wasn’t so fucking expensive. Like ~30k€ for cheapest Kia BEV? Not even speaking about more “premium” brands. How tf should I get that with mediocre eastern european salary?

      • Kkk2237pl@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        18 days ago

        Yup, but in Poland there are still small fraction of evs…

        Renault is government company, why they dont want to sell evs cars cheaper? Is it really necessary to make bigger profit than from ice?

        • Renohren@lemmy.todayEnglish
          1·
          18 days ago

          You meant Renault? They made the Zoe back in 2014, then made the Megane only electric, made the Spring through their Dacia subsidiary, now the 5, and they are launching the new Twingo generation as only electric. This makes them cover all EV segments, from the sub 20.000 euro electric car to the 60.000 one through alpine. They use more and more European made batteries and motors. Out of all the European car makers Renault and Mercedes are the ones that are the most pro electric now.

          • Kkk2237pl@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            18 days ago

            Yup, but why electric model is more expensive than ice one? Because of government subsidies?

            • Renohren@lemmy.todayEnglish
              1·
              18 days ago

              The new twingo is the exact same price in constant euros as the first gen twingo that came out in 1993.

              Besides that, prices of EVs are not more expensive over 5 or 10 years despite the shown price because you run them at a much much cheaper price : electricity is often cheaper than gas, the only real cost you would have to pay is tires and shock absorbers, breaks pads and disks get used a lot less because of regen, no belts or chains, no spark plugs, no oil change, no exhaust, no turbo, no belts driven AC, no starter motor, no alternators etc… All those things that cost a lot in mechanic repairs for most cars.

              • Kkk2237pl@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                17 days ago

                Citroen ec3 was 2x more expensive than ice version…

                European evs are ridiculously expensive in comparison to for example Tesla

                • Renohren@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  1·
                  17 days ago

                  Tesla’s start at over 30.000 euros! That’s not a cheap car by no means!

                  Plus: there is a huge problem at the top of Tesla. It’s not the subject here but I cannot close my eyes on Greenland’s fate just for a car. I have the same reservation over Tibet or the Uyghurs for other brands.

      • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
        1·
        18 days ago

        Don’t buy new. The second hand market for EVs is great. 3-4 year old cars with over 200 miles range for £12-15k, and lots of them.

        • kurcatovium@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          17 days ago

          Maybe in UK?

          There is a second hand market where I live (Czech rep), but it’s still not cheap. We’re traditionally a country where others’ used car end up. Same with EVs, but re-sellers ask a premium for this “brand new technology” and yada yada yada… The cheapest of Swasticar model 3 (first production year 2019, with over 200k km, smaller battery) I could find is over £15k. Kia EV6 similarly aged and (ab)used? Hand over well over £20k…

          • wewbull@feddit.ukEnglish
            1·
            16 days ago

            That sucks, but could you buy in a neighbouring country. If you save enough it could be financially worth it.

            Obviously UK would be of no use. Stearing wheel in the wrong place.

      • eutampieri@feddit.itEnglish
        1·
        19 days ago

        Have you considered the Dacia Spring? It should be fine for short-medium range trips and it costs “only” 20k

        • qevlarr@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          18 days ago

          I own a Dacia, I want a cheap car with no luxury. But but the Spring is just a bad car. Poor charging, poor range, can’t accelerate at highway speed. Those are not luxuries. It was the first electric car at this price range, but now there are better competitors.

          • kurcatovium@piefed.socialEnglish
            2·
            17 days ago

            Yeah, it’s gimped too much. Especially the first generation with weaker motor feels barely like shopping bag on wheels… It could work for work/school commute for me, but apart from that? Visiting parents in different region? No. Weekend family trip? No. And honestly I don’t want to spend that much on something I can’t use for more purposes than just daily commute.