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Maybe this cartoon will help, just replace “racist” with “carnist” Here did it for you, might be good agitprop for the next “I will eat twice as much meat now”

Ok and here is my POV:

I came into a comment section about a comic depicting the normalization of animal slavery and murder in front of children, with literal blood presented as a cutesy souvenir, for comedic shock effect and expressed my shock at this wanton display of cruelty by calling the people that participate in this knowingly as lacking “humanity” (which is a speciesist way of talking about compassion and empathy) and then refuse to back down from this position. Because, obviously, you need to lack compassion and kindness with the creatures you’re intending to butcher. That’s just objectively what’s happening.

As for your second point, I don’t care about the “vegan reputation”. People make fun of us no matter how polite and considerate to the babykillers we are. We are simultaneously the soyboy wimps who are too squeamish for the manly murder of baby sheep and the loudmouthed, foul, combative punks who keep disturbing everyone no matter how much you berate them and tell them to shut up. There is no winning so I refuse to play.

Besides, not everything is about outreach and sometimes I just want to comment how I feel without running it through the “oh how will the carnists react to this” filter (ironic then that this got me banned from my instance for trolling lol).

My reaction comes from me being a parent who already has to be very mindful of the carnist propaganda normalizing farm cruelty to babies and kindergardeners with overly cutesy depictions of the non-humans concentration camps. So this comic hit pretty hard, reminding me how this is dialed up to 11 when they will go to school. Outings to zoos and farms for the kulak and animal ag propaganda will be harder to avoid and they might even have to dissect creatures that have been killed just for this purpose? My eldest is already fairly sensitive and I want him to keep empathizing with non-humans, so it seems like the options are I fail and he sees non-humans as not deserving of compassion and kindness or he gets minitraumas constantly in the places he’s supposed to feel safe at.

Lets also not pretend this exchange is one sided. When I explained my POV in clear terms (and I guess I could’ve sugarcoated it somewhat I know how fragile carnists ego are but honestly this is often too tiring) your immediate reaction was “i’m gonna troll this guy by telling him just how much I love killing and make him feel bad by shifting the blame for this act on his rudeness”. Why is it that we are constantly expected to react politely to people being offensive to us and never the other way around? Maybe if you had been more polite I’d be more receptive to deescalation? Why are we the ones that are expected to deescalate, when in fact we are calling out injustice that is so normalized it doesn’t even register to most? Do you not see the contradiction here?

This answer is already fairly long and I guess serves as the proof that yeah I would’ve been calmer if you had been so I’m gonna leave it at that.

I even hesitated if “demonic” was a good word to replace my original statement with, but your first reaction to getting called out in your role in the genocide of the non-humans was “i’m gonna do it even harder” and if that’s not the exact reaction a demon would have then I don’t know what the concept is even good for

I mean how did you expect me to respond to

“I’m gonna munch on the corpse of the innocently slain just to troll you bro. I’m gonna prove your claims about lack of empathy and compassion exactly right by doing the demonic shit you just called out”

I believe in justice, that’s all 🤷 if you partake in the murder of innocents by eating their flesh then I’m not gonna pretend that I hope you get to do it more

hope you choke on it 🥰

g i v e m e l i b e r t y o r g i v e m e d e a t h

i mean apparently that’s your wish…

I meanI guess it was a little over the top lol, but can you look at the OP image again and tell me how that’s not a reasonable first reaction to have if you think of animals as thinking feeling creatures?? Also as a dad of two kids, this is the kind of shit I’m up against as a parent.

Also I don’t see non-human animals as lesser beings that’s just your speciesism projecting

Edit: I guess I meant in the sense that carnists lack empathy and care for others wellbeing, but framing that as human traits is speciesist in itself. I retract my original statement on speciesist grounds. The intent still stands though as an initial reaction, “carnists are demons” or something would have been more appropriate I think, thanks for coming to my ted talk.

The mod action didn’t federate it seems??

No it’s not voluntary if public transit gets dismantled look at the US. Running buses half-empty is also more efficient by your calculation if all those people were driving a car. That’s by your calculation 2 ton/person road wear and not whatever it was for busses.

Cars need to go.

I feel like people should be paying their taxes even if they own a car

Most zionists are christians

Manifolds such as these are actually defined by the maps used from a linear space. Two manifolds (i.e. two sets of maps) are considered the same (isomorphic) if the maps of one set can be “morphed” into the other and vice versa.

The flashlight demonstrates how the manifold’s map projects into the linear space. See stereographic projection.

That’s kind of part of a larger point actually: There is no 3d vector space in reality. It’s a made up construct used to make sense of the world around us.

I hate /e/OS for sucking the air out of the room and leaving divestOS stranded. Fuck you /e/OS.