Hitler would be proud. No one should want that.

If I had to guess, the israelness. A source other than the times of Israel might get a better reception. Plenty of people right or wrongly (mostly the former) knee jerk about anything that has Israel in its name.

That would definitely be a bridge too far. Samurai Lincoln would never approve of it either.

Yep. This isn’t lack of self awareness or hypocrisy. It’s manufacture of consent for them to do what they want.

This has nothing to do with “Jews”. You differentiate Hama’s and Palestinians. Why not the other way. Most Jews aren’t even in Israel. Many in Israel don’t support it even. I’m all for calling out Israel.

Yep. All thanks to ya boy Putin. Seeing as you support him, especially vs Ukraine. That makes you… Pro gestapo? How does that work?

Then you work to change that before the election. Not during the election.

Keep playing checkers while they play chess and wonder why things continue to get worse. With allies like you we certainly don’t need enemies.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say. Continue acting childish while refusing to acknowledge your own role in this fiasco?

There was only ever going to be a Democrat or Republican president in this election. Useful tools like yourself made such a big noise around it that you manage to actually hurt your own cause. Drowning out much of the Articles news and talk about Trump being a literal actual fascist. And driving news coverage more about the Democrats. Which should I point out would not be doing this if they were in office. For all their problems.

You accusing others of keeping their head in the sand uninformed is hilarious. And massively cringe.

Especially considering that that means they believe there’s no enforcement or punishments that the judicial branch will be able to Leverage to provide relief. And that it is worth destroying their actual reputation as a law firm. Throwing away all possible future clients in order to serve a fascist. Who the hell would hire anyone from a law firm that wouldn’t even defend themselves. How can you expect them to defend you?

Again with the arguments I never made. It’s not about what you’re saying. It’s about your behavior. You’re behaving just like them. There are absolutely some of them that are lost. Just like you are a lost cause. But there are some that can be reached if we simply take the time.

You know what a lot of historians would also tell you. They weren’t hardcore ideologically aligned. They were responsible for their own actions. But they weren’t predestined to be monsters. But if we consign them to being monsters there’s no better way to make sure they absolutely are monsters.

And like seriously friend, I have no idea who you’re debating against. It isn’t me. I’ve not made any of these claims or statements that you are attacking. And I’m not sure what your goal or objective is beyond looking foolish or overzealously radicalized? But that being the case, mission accomplished? You are honestly behaving as bad as many of the people you are railing against.

No they’re still responsible for their actions. No one’s asking you to absolve them. Just not crucify them. I had a similar discussion with a loved one who saw the very same thing and was repulsed by it initially. But ultimately voted for trump in 2024 The repetition of propaganda is very powerful. It can make you disbelieve your eyes and ears. Anyone not just them. But they are going to have to live with it now. However bringing them to our side. Having them fight along with us. Despite their sins. Would be far more preferable than facing them and the actual fascists.

The people of Nazi Germany weren’t monsters. Though they enabled and even did monstrous things at the behest of monsters. The least we could do is not make it easier for the actual monsters to do this again. Offer those “unclean” an opportunity to escape the path they’ve set themselves on and possibly do something to remedy it. If they still refuse then it’s on them and whatever God they’ve failed.

Part of the most powerful aspects of propaganda is repetition. If anything they watched touched on it. It was minimal, and framed with targeting “others”. Then countered with 10x other praise and positive coverage. To allay their fears. It’s how propaganda works. And we would be foolish to think that we are immune to it ourselves. We just have to take our openings to break through the propaganda where we can find them.

There is still silent generation out there kicking. Hell a lot of them are serving in federal government. You’d be surprised. And while they would be more than fine screwing over xers like myself. They will try to generally take care of their power base. Which has traditionally been the Boomers. They are the ones that fell Hook Line and Sinker for that morning in America bullshit.

Both are absolutely things worth doing. With a lot of overlap ironically. Though it’s going to be some time till any other generation surpasses the boomers etc. Still another decade or two. Definitely a bit early to write them off.

You certainly won’t save any if you don’t try. Personally I have saved a few. It’s not easy. And there’s definitely some work to put in. But moments of heavy cognitive dissonance like this. Are the perfect time to reach out and put in the work.

Just gonna keep putting this out there. All of us, by just being here aren’t average or normal people. They are. And while it can be fun and cathartic to ridicule them. Local news papers everywhere have gone bust. Local television stations across the country were struggling and swept up like a lot of AM radio stations. Into a national propaganda sphere. Cocooning these people in a sealed misinformation bubble.

It doesn’t matter that the facts are available on the internet. Lots of people still live their lives without it. Even then, there’s just as much misinformation and confirmation bias on the internet. We desperately need to find some way of reaching these people and exposing them to the lying media they rely on. Plenty of them would be up in arms and outraged if they fully understood. We need to focus on outreach to groups like this more than ridicule. Their regret may be too little too late. But ultimately something is more than nothing. Fascist groups like Sinclair will get us all killed if we don’t.

Chances are very high.

I mostly agree with you. I wood just like to add that this isn’t a modern thing or even a modern conservative thing. It’s a human nature thing throughout all of human history.

You are absolutely right though that social pressure plays a lot into it as well. Currently my girlfriend is in north carolina. She doesn’t have cable. She knows that all three of the major local broadcast stations are all Sinclair propaganda as well. And doesn’t get her news from them. However she isn’t particularly engaged digging up News online. Outside of what her anarcho communist boyfriend sends her way. I’m working on that. Believe me I am. However she absolutely gets it from everyone within for proximity. Even if she doesn’t watch herself. Human beings are very coated to generally believe what those around them believe. It’s the rare ones that will go against the opinion of their local society.

A lot of them don’t. In fact I’d have to guess for everyone that does there’s probably two or three that don’t. It’s an easy answer. Too easy to answer. But you’ll find out that if you talk to many of them it doesn’t tend to match up. Yes Facebook is still plenty of problem. And no one should use it. But there are other problems than Facebook And Fox News. As long as we focus on just those. the actual core of the problem goes unaddressed.