• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    The argument that I have been making, am making and will continue to make, is that the exact approach to elections and electorism present in your comment is what we tried and it failed. And we knew before hand that your argument would fail when pushed against the American people; that you refused to change your approach to rhetoric; that you insisted on pursuing a strategy we knew in advance would fail. You can-not predicate your strategy for getting someone into office on changing the electorate: They ONLY option you have is to change/ move the candidates positions.

    I’ve been incredibly consistent in this. I started making the point over at (the bad place) in 2015/16, when your above argument was the exact one being used to justify Hillary atrocious campaign. It completely misunderstand the electorate and electoral-ism in the US. It misunderstand the American identity and Americanism. It misunderstand the real pain Democrats (and Republicans) have caused the American people. In 2016 when we were being told to “shut up and vote for Clinton or you’ll get Trump”, I can and did tell people, that by relying on that approach that they would lose this election.

    By defending bad positions of the candidates, by apologizing their strategies which had obvious and predictable outcomes, like losing the elections, those who insisted we simply had to suck it up doomed us to this path. And I can cite the ever living fuck out of this, not only here on lemmy, but across all of media.

    How many times are you going to insist we lose an election to prop up the egos of neoliberals and Democrats who cant win elections? If this was the most important election of our lives why didn’t you demand that Democrats campaign like it?

    Democrats, and their apologists, bear 100% of the blame for blowing this election as hard as they did. Trump is and was DEEPLY unpopular and they couldn’t even fucking manage that. And MOST of the reason why is this cowardly, apologist, fallacious excusing of Democratic failings.

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      5 days ago

      Then you work to change that before the election. Not during the election.

      Keep playing checkers while they play chess and wonder why things continue to get worse. With allies like you we certainly don’t need enemies.

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        If you want to continue to lose elections, keep being like this.

        The entire purpose in my consistency is to remove your ability to give yourself the excuse that you didn’t know better; that you weren’t being told other wise. You now know better; you don’t have an excuse next time.

        I can’t get you to route out your own brain worms.