Its not just PHP, or even just software and digital infrastructure. Most average people would be appalled to get a look behind the curtain of how a great many things they depend on every day are operated once it is not sexy anymore and just fades into the background of the machinery that keeps the lights on and their lives going.
Many industries are this way, people don’t seem to realize it’s only in some cases two or three people in an entire region that are keeping some key peice of equipment going. Like shit even our infrastructure is that now, we used to have people on site everywhere monitoring but now so much is just a guy in an office doing the work of 50 people.
There’s a whole ass XKCD someone’s no doubt posted somewhere in this thread…
I always have this at the back of my mind
You do not want to see how the sausage gets made
Why didn’t we have a meme with these wobbly piles of blocks representing the internet structure having one tiny pillar identified as PHP yet ?
Exactly, many thanks 👍 !
Honestly, that pillar looks strong. What is the other side wood and it’s concrete. Also, bad design with just two pillars, gotta build it like an ancient Parthenon.
Is the director the only staff member? Does he want a raise?
It is called personal homepage so it makes sense there is only one person.
who in the hell writes in notepad?
I have a few PHP scripts that I maintain. I use Notepad++ like a normal person, though.
like a normal person
Well we might disagree on whether using Windows in 2026 is normal…
It’s for work, it’s not up to me.
one who programs in PHP, apparently, but not all PHP programmers use notepad , some use nano and others ed. /jk
I’m sick of these stereotypes. Joke’s on you, I write everything in vim.
I use emacs, but really, I don’t program in PHP so there’s that.
Yo, I got syntax highlighting up in my nano!
Hey, we can’t all afford syntax highlighting
Syntax highlighting? In this economy?
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Because it’s Facebook
The world seemed eager enough to use React, though
Because Facebook at the time wasn’t openly evil and social medias in general were of a fraction of what they are today,.
They contributed to react and made it one of the major language for frontend.
Because it was targeted at facebook’s unique use case, poorly supported, abd didn’t keep up with upstream changes.
because it didn’t support the same features and ended up being a fork of the language called hack.
since it wasnt a replacement and would have required lot of software to be modified or in some cases like wordpress and drupal largely rewritten it never saw wide adoption.
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Very little
Zero.
the foundation didn’t exist so that one staff member didn’t exist. the foundation doesn’t direct development either, they sponsor development and otherwise help to fund the project.
there is not fault either. hhvm was never a php project. they happened in parallel and there was a lot of good feelings at the time and efforts to collaborate. facebook ended up releasing hack lang and the projects drifted apart.
What, so if Meta can throw enough money at it, they can just hijack the project?
I see your point, but we shouldn’t allow corporate interests with comedic amount of economic capital to simply take over an entire project through what basically is ye olde EEE tactics.
I am not sure why the world didn’t switch to that
Not invented here syndrome by PHP Foundation and downstream users use whatever the default is.
Because it wasn’t php proper, it was an interpreter for PHP and Hack (their own language), and since 2019 they cut off PHP anyway
Also it’s mostly because the vast majority of those “70% of websites” that use PHP are wordpress installs, and wordpress never switched to the HHVM.
Just let it die
Yk what isn’t understaffed? Other, better languages.
There might be “better” languages, but PHP is still used by ~70% of the web.
That number is a bit questionable:
- It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That’s often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in
.phpand well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. - It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month.
and well-known software like Wordpress
Sorry, but you’re using the fact that PHP is used by the framework that makes up about 40% of the web on its own as an argument against the claim that PHP might be on as much as 70% of all websites? That’s before you start getting into other platforms like Drupal and MediaWiki, or more general-purpose frameworks like Laravel.
You then conveniently ignore the point that they made, which is that, by volume, there are more sites, but by traffic and load, definitely not.
Not “conveniently”. Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply.
It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That’s often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in
.phpand well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect.So there are possibly more PHP sites out there than we realize, because the ones which disguise their URLs are ambiguous
It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month.
You shouldn’t be as concerned with popularity, and much more concerned with attack surface. Your argument certainly can’t be that there are thousands of idle servers out there that should no longer be maintained because no one reads the blog hosted on them?
Wordpress is still commonly used for e-commerce. You’re probably visiting more PHP sites than you realize.
- It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That’s often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in
So what. It’s like saying hunger is good because most people are hungry.
They, notably, did not say that PHP was good.
Neither did I.
Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority.
Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes?
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I’m aware of that. I’m questioning it still being used.
A large installed base of web apps including giants like Wordpress combined with a desire not to migrate when something is working.
Are you actually though? Because if you were actually wondering this, it wouldn’t take a genius to figure out that you can very easily stop wondering by googling something along the lines of “what websites were downed on account of the recent php vulnerability”. But you clearly haven’t. So why the fuck are you even in this conversation?
You’re right. Also, spoken language is much better than written language, let’s get rid of written language as well.
Comparing concepts to implementations.
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damn you better go tell them
Well somebody has to if people still use it
Right but that’s a pointless side discussion. English has fucked up grammar and spelling but it’s a major global language. Cope?
Of course. And that fact didn’t prevent what happened this week.
Got a proper alternative to Nextcloud that’s not php? O.o
So a company with 1 developer has a director, interesting.
No one reads. Interesting.
Hard to read when it’s paywalled
Oh no! If only there were easy ways around paywalls?
‘1 staff member’, for accuracies sake 😉
Maybe the ‘director’ should be helping then?Oh, OK. That’s much better 😁
The director is the full time dev… Read the article.
Thanks for clarifying, but I’m not going to go into Reuters, or any of those ad-ridden sites, like ever.
You are awesome. Thank you.
